diff --git a/packages/orchestration/src/chain-info.js b/packages/orchestration/src/chain-info.js
index fe7352ca004..5629e52633a 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/src/chain-info.js
+++ b/packages/orchestration/src/chain-info.js
@@ -19,8 +19,6 @@ export const wellKnownChainInfo =
         icqEnabled: true,
         pfmEnabled: true,
         ibcHooksEnabled: true,
-        allowedMessages: [],
-        allowedQueries: [],
         stakingTokens: [{ denom: 'ustride' }],
       },
       cosmos: {
@@ -30,8 +28,6 @@ export const wellKnownChainInfo =
         icqEnabled: true,
         pfmEnabled: true,
         ibcHooksEnabled: true,
-        allowedMessages: [],
-        allowedQueries: [],
         stakingTokens: [{ denom: 'uatom' }],
       },
       celestia: {
@@ -41,8 +37,6 @@ export const wellKnownChainInfo =
         icqEnabled: true,
         pfmEnabled: true,
         ibcHooksEnabled: true,
-        allowedMessages: [],
-        allowedQueries: [],
         stakingTokens: [{ denom: 'utia' }],
       },
       osmosis: {
@@ -52,8 +46,6 @@ export const wellKnownChainInfo =
         icqEnabled: true,
         pfmEnabled: true,
         ibcHooksEnabled: true,
-        allowedMessages: [],
-        allowedQueries: [],
         stakingTokens: [{ denom: 'uosmo' }],
       },
     })
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/src/cosmos-api.ts b/packages/orchestration/src/cosmos-api.ts
index 04cebb79777..5306de19b60 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/src/cosmos-api.ts
+++ b/packages/orchestration/src/cosmos-api.ts
@@ -72,11 +72,6 @@ export type CosmosChainInfo = {
   icqEnabled: boolean;
   pfmEnabled: boolean;
   ibcHooksEnabled: boolean;
-  /**
-   *
-   */
-  allowedMessages: TypeUrl[];
-  allowedQueries: TypeUrl[];
 
   /**
    * cf https://github.com/cosmos/chain-registry/blob/master/chain.schema.json#L117
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/src/examples/swapExample.contract.js b/packages/orchestration/src/examples/swapExample.contract.js
index 8fdb4ac49de..448663f7eb1 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/src/examples/swapExample.contract.js
+++ b/packages/orchestration/src/examples/swapExample.contract.js
@@ -15,12 +15,13 @@ import { orcUtils } from '../utils/orc.js';
  * @import {Remote} from '@agoric/internal';
  * @import {OrchestrationService} from '../service.js';
  * @import {Baggage} from '@agoric/vat-data'
- * @import {Zone} from '@agoric/zone';
+ * @import {NameHub} from '@agoric/vats';
  */
 
 /** @type {ContractMeta} */
 export const meta = {
   privateArgsShape: {
+    agoricNames: M.remotable('agoricNames'),
     localchain: M.remotable('localchain'),
     orchestrationService: M.or(M.remotable('orchestration'), null),
     storageNode: StorageNodeShape,
@@ -42,6 +43,7 @@ export const makeNatAmountShape = (brand, min) =>
 /**
  * @param {ZCF} zcf
  * @param {{
+ *   agoricNames: Remote<NameHub>;
  *   localchain: Remote<LocalChain>;
  *   orchestrationService: Remote<OrchestrationService>;
  *   storageNode: Remote<StorageNode>;
@@ -54,16 +56,22 @@ export const start = async (zcf, privateArgs, baggage) => {
 
   const zone = makeDurableZone(baggage);
 
-  const { localchain, orchestrationService, storageNode, timerService } =
-    privateArgs;
+  const {
+    agoricNames,
+    localchain,
+    orchestrationService,
+    storageNode,
+    timerService,
+  } = privateArgs;
 
   const { orchestrate } = makeOrchestrationFacade({
-    zone,
-    timerService,
-    zcf,
+    agoricNames,
     localchain,
-    storageNode,
     orchestrationService,
+    storageNode,
+    timerService,
+    zcf,
+    zone,
   });
 
   /** deprecated historical example */
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/src/examples/unbondExample.contract.js b/packages/orchestration/src/examples/unbondExample.contract.js
index 48a2a1979d5..70ae1696114 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/src/examples/unbondExample.contract.js
+++ b/packages/orchestration/src/examples/unbondExample.contract.js
@@ -8,6 +8,7 @@ import { makeOrchestrationFacade } from '../facade.js';
  * @import {TimerService} from '@agoric/time';
  * @import {Baggage} from '@agoric/vat-data';
  * @import {LocalChain} from '@agoric/vats/src/localchain.js';
+ * @import {NameHub} from '@agoric/vats';
  * @import {Remote} from '@agoric/internal';
  * @import {OrchestrationService} from '../service.js';
  */
@@ -15,6 +16,7 @@ import { makeOrchestrationFacade } from '../facade.js';
 /**
  * @param {ZCF} zcf
  * @param {{
+ *   agoricNames: Remote<NameHub>;
  *   localchain: Remote<LocalChain>;
  *   orchestrationService: Remote<OrchestrationService>;
  *   storageNode: Remote<StorageNode>;
@@ -23,17 +25,23 @@ import { makeOrchestrationFacade } from '../facade.js';
  * @param {Baggage} baggage
  */
 export const start = async (zcf, privateArgs, baggage) => {
-  const { localchain, orchestrationService, storageNode, timerService } =
-    privateArgs;
+  const {
+    agoricNames,
+    localchain,
+    orchestrationService,
+    storageNode,
+    timerService,
+  } = privateArgs;
   const zone = makeDurableZone(baggage);
 
   const { orchestrate } = makeOrchestrationFacade({
+    agoricNames,
     localchain,
-    zone,
+    orchestrationService,
+    storageNode,
     timerService,
     zcf,
-    storageNode,
-    orchestrationService,
+    zone,
   });
 
   /** @type {OfferHandler} */
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/src/facade.js b/packages/orchestration/src/facade.js
index b9ea70bfeea..1f73ae93120 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/src/facade.js
+++ b/packages/orchestration/src/facade.js
@@ -3,11 +3,11 @@
 import { makeScalarBigMapStore } from '@agoric/vat-data';
 import { E } from '@endo/far';
 import { M } from '@endo/patterns';
-import { wellKnownChainInfo } from './chain-info.js';
 import { prepareCosmosOrchestrationAccount } from './exos/cosmosOrchestrationAccount.js';
 import { CosmosChainInfoShape } from './typeGuards.js';
 
 /**
+ * @import {NameHub} from '@agoric/vats';
  * @import {Zone} from '@agoric/zone';
  * @import {TimerService} from '@agoric/time';
  * @import {LocalChain} from '@agoric/vats/src/localchain.js';
@@ -19,12 +19,14 @@ import { CosmosChainInfoShape } from './typeGuards.js';
 /** @type {any} */
 const anyVal = null;
 
+// TODO define key hierarchy in shared constants
+/** agoricNames key for ChainInfo hub */
+export const CHAIN_KEY = 'chain';
+
 // FIXME look up real values
 // UNTIL https://github.com/Agoric/agoric-sdk/issues/9063
 const mockLocalChainInfo = {
   allegedName: 'agoric',
-  allowedMessages: [],
-  allowedQueries: [],
   chainId: 'agoriclocal',
   connections: anyVal,
   ibcHooksEnabled: true,
@@ -155,6 +157,7 @@ const makeRemoteChainFacade = (
  *   storageNode: Remote<StorageNode>;
  *   orchestrationService: Remote<OrchestrationService>;
  *   localchain: Remote<LocalChain>;
+ *   agoricNames: Remote<NameHub>;
  * }} powers
  */
 export const makeOrchestrationFacade = ({
@@ -164,6 +167,7 @@ export const makeOrchestrationFacade = ({
   storageNode,
   orchestrationService,
   localchain,
+  agoricNames,
 }) => {
   console.log('makeOrchestrationFacade got', {
     zone,
@@ -178,6 +182,22 @@ export const makeOrchestrationFacade = ({
     valueShape: CosmosChainInfoShape,
   });
 
+  /**
+   * @param {string} name
+   * @returns {Promise<CosmosChainInfo>}
+   */
+  const getChainInfo = async name => {
+    // Either from registerChain or memoized remote lookup()
+    if (chainInfos.has(name)) {
+      return chainInfos.get(name);
+    }
+
+    const chainInfo = await E(agoricNames).lookup(CHAIN_KEY, name);
+    assert(chainInfo, `unknown chain ${name}`);
+    chainInfos.init(name, chainInfo);
+    return chainInfo;
+  };
+
   return {
     /**
      * Register a new chain in a heap store. The name will override a name in
@@ -211,12 +231,7 @@ export const makeOrchestrationFacade = ({
             return makeLocalChainFacade(localchain);
           }
 
-          // TODO look up well known realistically https://github.com/Agoric/agoric-sdk/issues/9063
-          const chainInfo = chainInfos.has(name)
-            ? chainInfos.get(name)
-            : // @ts-expect-error may be undefined
-              wellKnownChainInfo[name];
-          assert(chainInfo, `unknown chain ${name}`);
+          const chainInfo = await getChainInfo(name);
 
           return makeRemoteChainFacade(chainInfo, {
             orchestration: orchestrationService,
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/src/typeGuards.js b/packages/orchestration/src/typeGuards.js
index 9ba142f57ec..c67b08fba39 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/src/typeGuards.js
+++ b/packages/orchestration/src/typeGuards.js
@@ -53,7 +53,5 @@ export const CosmosChainInfoShape = M.splitRecord(
     icqEnabled: M.boolean(),
     pfmEnabled: M.boolean(),
     ibcHooksEnabled: M.boolean(),
-    allowedMessages: M.arrayOf(M.string()),
-    allowedQueries: M.arrayOf(M.string()),
   },
 );
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/src/utils/mockChainInfo.js b/packages/orchestration/src/utils/mockChainInfo.js
index d7fb12cea0e..42cfcca688f 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/src/utils/mockChainInfo.js
+++ b/packages/orchestration/src/utils/mockChainInfo.js
@@ -1,5 +1,10 @@
 /**
- * @file Mocked Chain Info object until #8879
+ * @file Mocked Chain Info object
+ *
+ *   Until https://github.com/Agoric/agoric-sdk/issues/8879
+ *
+ *   Generated using
+ *   https://github.com/Agoric/agoric-sdk/compare/pc/ibc-chain-info
  */
 import {
   Order,
@@ -67,9 +72,7 @@ const connectionEntries = harden({
   },
 });
 
-/**
- * @returns {Pick<CosmosChainInfo, 'connections' | 'chainId'>}
- */
+/** @returns {Pick<CosmosChainInfo, 'connections' | 'chainId'>} */
 export const prepareMockChainInfo = () => {
   return harden({
     chainId: 'agoriclocal',
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/test/examples/swapExample.test.ts b/packages/orchestration/test/examples/swapExample.test.ts
index ca1a8852fe5..c10c4b2a994 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/test/examples/swapExample.test.ts
+++ b/packages/orchestration/test/examples/swapExample.test.ts
@@ -16,6 +16,7 @@ test('start', async t => {
   const {
     bootstrap,
     brands: { ist },
+    commonPrivateArgs,
     utils,
   } = await commonSetup(t);
 
@@ -27,12 +28,7 @@ test('start', async t => {
     installation,
     { Stable: ist.issuer },
     {},
-    {
-      localchain: bootstrap.localchain,
-      orchestrationService: bootstrap.orchestration,
-      storageNode: bootstrap.storage.rootNode,
-      timerService: bootstrap.timer,
-    },
+    commonPrivateArgs,
   );
 
   const inv = E(publicFacet).makeSwapAndStakeInvitation();
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/test/examples/unbondExample.test.ts b/packages/orchestration/test/examples/unbondExample.test.ts
index b78e606fdf0..7b23042977a 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/test/examples/unbondExample.test.ts
+++ b/packages/orchestration/test/examples/unbondExample.test.ts
@@ -13,8 +13,8 @@ type StartFn =
 
 test('start', async t => {
   const {
-    bootstrap,
     brands: { ist },
+    commonPrivateArgs,
   } = await commonSetup(t);
 
   const { zoe, bundleAndInstall } = await setUpZoeForTest();
@@ -25,12 +25,7 @@ test('start', async t => {
     installation,
     { Stable: ist.issuer },
     {},
-    {
-      localchain: bootstrap.localchain,
-      orchestrationService: bootstrap.orchestration,
-      storageNode: bootstrap.storage.rootNode,
-      timerService: bootstrap.timer,
-    },
+    commonPrivateArgs,
   );
 
   const inv = E(publicFacet).makeUnbondAndLiquidStakeInvitation();
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/test/facade.test.ts b/packages/orchestration/test/facade.test.ts
index 10fdfa1c162..0057a932502 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/test/facade.test.ts
+++ b/packages/orchestration/test/facade.test.ts
@@ -15,23 +15,19 @@ export const mockChainInfo: CosmosChainInfo = harden({
   icqEnabled: false,
   pfmEnabled: false,
   ibcHooksEnabled: false,
-  allowedMessages: [],
-  allowedQueries: [],
   stakingTokens: [{ denom: 'umock' }],
 });
 
 test('chain info', async t => {
-  const { bootstrap } = await commonSetup(t);
+  const { bootstrap, facadeServices } = await commonSetup(t);
 
   const zone = bootstrap.rootZone;
 
   const { zcf } = await setupZCFTest();
 
   const { registerChain, orchestrate } = makeOrchestrationFacade({
-    localchain: bootstrap.localchain,
-    orchestrationService: bootstrap.orchestration,
+    ...facadeServices,
     storageNode: bootstrap.storage.rootNode,
-    timerService: bootstrap.timer,
     zcf,
     zone,
   });
@@ -47,7 +43,7 @@ test('chain info', async t => {
 });
 
 test('contract upgrade', async t => {
-  const { bootstrap } = await commonSetup(t);
+  const { bootstrap, facadeServices } = await commonSetup(t);
 
   const zone = bootstrap.rootZone;
 
@@ -56,10 +52,8 @@ test('contract upgrade', async t => {
   // Register once
   {
     const { registerChain } = makeOrchestrationFacade({
-      localchain: bootstrap.localchain,
-      orchestrationService: bootstrap.orchestration,
+      ...facadeServices,
       storageNode: bootstrap.storage.rootNode,
-      timerService: bootstrap.timer,
       zcf,
       zone,
     });
@@ -74,10 +68,8 @@ test('contract upgrade', async t => {
   // Simulate running again in a new incarnation with the same zone
   {
     const { registerChain } = makeOrchestrationFacade({
-      localchain: bootstrap.localchain,
-      orchestrationService: bootstrap.orchestration,
+      ...facadeServices,
       storageNode: bootstrap.storage.rootNode,
-      timerService: bootstrap.timer,
       zcf,
       zone,
     });
diff --git a/packages/orchestration/test/supports.ts b/packages/orchestration/test/supports.ts
index d13338b260b..b87f4678bb7 100644
--- a/packages/orchestration/test/supports.ts
+++ b/packages/orchestration/test/supports.ts
@@ -9,8 +9,13 @@ import { buildZoeManualTimer } from '@agoric/zoe/tools/manualTimer.js';
 import { withAmountUtils } from '@agoric/zoe/tools/test-utils.js';
 import { makeHeapZone } from '@agoric/zone';
 import { E } from '@endo/far';
+import { makeNameHubKit } from '@agoric/vats';
+import { makeWellKnownSpaces } from '@agoric/vats/src/core/utils.js';
 import { fakeNetworkEchoStuff } from './network-fakes.js';
 import { prepareOrchestrationTools } from '../src/service.js';
+import { CHAIN_KEY } from '../src/facade.js';
+import type { CosmosChainInfo } from '../src/cosmos-api.js';
+import { wellKnownChainInfo } from '../src/chain-info.js';
 
 export { makeFakeLocalchainBridge } from '@agoric/vats/tools/fake-bridge.js';
 
@@ -53,8 +58,21 @@ export const commonSetup = async t => {
   const { portAllocator } = fakeNetworkEchoStuff(rootZone.subZone('network'));
   const { public: orchestration } = makeOrchestrationKit({ portAllocator });
 
+  const { nameHub: agoricNames, nameAdmin: agoricNamesAdmin } =
+    makeNameHubKit();
+  const spaces = await makeWellKnownSpaces(agoricNamesAdmin, t.log, [
+    CHAIN_KEY,
+  ]);
+
+  // Simulate what BLD stakers would have configured
+  for (const [name, info] of Object.entries(wellKnownChainInfo)) {
+    // @ts-expect-error FIXME types
+    spaces.chain.produce[name].resolve(info);
+  }
+
   return {
     bootstrap: {
+      agoricNames,
       bankManager,
       timer,
       localchain,
@@ -68,6 +86,19 @@ export const commonSetup = async t => {
       bld,
       ist,
     },
+    commonPrivateArgs: {
+      agoricNames,
+      localchain,
+      orchestrationService: orchestration,
+      storageNode: storage.rootNode,
+      timerService: timer,
+    },
+    facadeServices: {
+      agoricNames,
+      localchain,
+      orchestrationService: orchestration,
+      timerService: timer,
+    },
     utils: {
       pourPayment,
     },