Swedish moth names

[larspett]

Last spring we provided a list of Swedish day active moths (#417) that I believe was deployed but none of those seem available.

Also, I wonder if we did provide a full list of the Swedish macro moths? If not, we can easily do that, currently we only see moth names in German in the moth part of the app. In the butterfly parts of the app, only butterflies are available despite the day active moth option being enabled.

If you want us to provide a moth dictionary, what format and which taxonomic groups should I provide?

[larspett]

@chrisvanswaay maybe you have the format and taxonomic group info that I would need to supply Swedish common names for the full set of macromoths?

[chrisvanswaay]

No I haven't, but I think @JimBacon might help you with a start. He also arranged all the Dutch butterfly names (actually better than I did).

[larspett]

@DavidRoy @kazlauskis Here are the Swedish common micro and macro moth names in a tab separated textfile with scientific names first on each row.
There are a few new aggregates (5) plus some mismatches between our taxonomic backbone and the ones used in the taxonomic aggregate dataset I got for NL (5). All those are listed in a separate text file. Is this the way you want the data @JimBacon ? Would be great if it could be added to the homepage (where the common names are a mixture of German and English for some reason and the app (where common names seem to be German only)
Scientific_and_Swedish_common_names.txt
Scientific_and_Swedish_common_names_additions_and_mismatches.txt

[JimBacon]

Hi,
I'm sure the file format will be fine but I do not expect to look at this for several weeks as I have a list of other jobs I am working on.
Jim.

[larspett]

The Swedish taxonomic backbone seems like it hadn't been updated against gbif etc so only one of the taxonomic mismatches were actully a mismatch. Have updated the aggregates and mismatch list here
Scientific_and_Swedish_common_names_additions_and_mismatches_v2.txt

[DavidRoy]

@kazlauskis can you review how the day-flying moths are being included in the app?
@andrewvanbreda could you add in the swedish common names when working on #464

[andrewvanbreda]

@DavidRoy Will do.
Am just checking some things with John about the other issue first.

[larspett]

@kazlauskis is this one closing in? Am planning for some moth monitoring publicity but need to have Swedish common names in the app and website before I can do that

[kazlauskis]

Not yet, but we are actively working on the app, and we'll look into this next week.

[larspett]

Much appreciated

[andrewvanbreda]

Hi @BirenRathod
Would you be able to get me these results please whenever you get chance.
Thanks

SQL 1.txt
SQL 2.csv

[BirenRathod]

@andrewvanbreda
I attached the results.
ABLE.zip

[larspett]

Any feedback needed from my end here @andrewvanbreda? Will the names end up in the butterfly count at the same time they are deployed at the site? I'd love to promote the app more widely but all names are in German at the moment

[andrewvanbreda]

Hi @larspett

I have prepared some of the import files, but have not done the actual import yet.

The reason for the delay is the original file actually contains synonyms which are not held in the species list, so I don't think the importer will recognise them.

I am in the process of changing the import files, but I just wanted to double check with my brother (John van Breda) about this approach before I did the actual import.

So for example, one example would be "Yponomeuta irrorellus" in the import file is "Yponomeuta irrorella" in the EBMS Moths database list but many are like this.

I have not developed on or used the butterfly count app myself, however if it uses the same species list I guess the names would appear in the app.
@kazlauskis might be able to confirm that one.

Andy

[larspett]

Ok I saw those and thought I had removed them but that was probably just in the aggregates list (where this particular example is found too). Sorry about the non-standard taxonomy used by the Swedish taxonomic backbone

[andrewvanbreda]

@larspett
No problem. Will let you know when done.

[kazlauskis]

@andrewvanbreda is the species list update complete now? I will then fetch the new taxa to the app.

[andrewvanbreda]

@kazlauskis
No it isn't, as have had to do a lot of preparation.
However I should be in a position to import most of it in the next day or so.
There will be about 350 items that won't be imported initially for various reasons.

[andrewvanbreda]

Hi @BirenRathod
Would you be able to get me this result whenever you get a sec please. I hope it will return nothing. Cheers.

Test if not exists SQL.txt

[BirenRathod]

@andrewvanbreda have you got my other email about using PgAdmin from your machine, so you can run this query?

[andrewvanbreda]

@BirenRathod
Thanks Biren, I hadn't seen the email but I have now.
I will look into fixing NPMS first, then checkout Pgadmin after that. Cheers

[larspett]

so in demo but not in production version of app yet?

[Vilius-Stankaitis]

Production as well v1.20.0

[larspett]

OK, I notice a couple of things, My top species have the names as common names as well as scientific names but the counts are incorrect (Orthosia gothica should be 3 but are 1), the submitted moth trap surveys are still as scientific names although common names are selected. I guess this is because they were submitted as scientific names before the translation was available? From: Vilius Stankaitis ***@***.***> Sent: den 12 maj 2023 10:00 To: BiologicalRecordsCentre/ABLE ***@***.***> Cc: Lars Pettersson ***@***.***>; Mention ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [BiologicalRecordsCentre/ABLE] Swedish moth names (Issue #542) Production as well v1.20.0 — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#542 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEVQXZG4VM54DQEG4SQBECLXFXUXTANCNFSM6AAAAAAWBHFMG4>. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.******@***.***>>

[Vilius-Stankaitis]

Mhm, I will investigate this. Cheers

[larspett]

@Vilius-Stankaitis I try to switch between common names in Swedish and scientific names but only get Swedish ones all the time (unless I enter the scientific name manually, then it sticks). I try changing the common/scientific option in settings but nothing happens. Shouldn't it?

[Vilius-Stankaitis]

I sent you an email last week with more details (could you check the span folder). I will create a new ticket.

[larspett]

@Vilius-Stankaitis hi haven't received such an email from you directly (not in the spam folder either). Can you please resend with cc to [email protected]. Could have been stopped before the mailbox

[Vilius-Stankaitis]

Hi all,

a few mistakes:

"Gammafly" is not assigned to the Swedish common name.

"Gammaeule" currently is assigned to the Swedish common names list (should be assigned to German).

Could someone fix this?

Thank you

[JimBacon]

@Vilius-Stankaitis I've fixed the names for Autographa gamma mentioned in your comment above, thanks.

I'm going to import another 221 Swedish moth names this afternoon that have been matched to scientific names already in our list. There are a further 88 Swedish names still to come once they have a matching scientific name in the moth list.

[JimBacon]

I've uploaded the following 232 Swedish moth names; a few more than expected as I found some synonyms among the names I thought were unmatched. I haven't added the synonyms at the moment.

swedish-moth-names.csv

Furthermore, I

• added Agrochola circellaris with its English and Swedish names. It was missing which was surprising given it is widespread in Europe,
• removed Colias croceus from the Swedish list of missing species as it is a butterfly.
• removed kortstreckad videguldmal, previously given as a common name for Phyllonorycter brevilineatella which is now listed as a synonym of Phyllonorycter salicicolella which already has the name vinkelbandad videguldmal (Possibly the wrong decision - maybe both common names should be kept for this taxon.)

This leaves 74 unmatched names still to import.

[larspett]

• Phyllonorycter brevilineatellus and Phyllonorycter brevilineatella are synonyms and are called Kortstreckad videguldmal as common name
• Phyllonorycter salicicolellus and Phyllonorycter salicicolella are synoyms and are called Vinkelbandad videguldmal as common name
• These two species are distinct and not synonyms

[JimBacon]

Hi @larspett. In your spreadsheet, moth_list_swe_Errors_LP.xlsx, (in #542 (comment)) you wrote that P.brevilineatellus is a synonym of P. salicicolella
I was about to conclude there was a copy and paste error in the spreadsheet but then the Catalogue of Life also states they are synonyms.
I don't know what to do!

[larspett]

ah taxonomy the joy of it :) Georg, who compiled the list, found the synonym listing whereas I found a different (older) listing where they were not considered synonyms. All these four are apparently considered synonyms and the common name should be Vinkelbandad videguldmal . Sorry about that

[larspett]

@JimBacon I noticed that there are no translations for species like Korscheltellus lupulinus (lupulina), are we missing common names for Hepialidae? The image recognition fails too. ObsIdentify solves the image recognition 100%

[JimBacon]

The translation for Korscheltellus lupulina was one I added on Monday so I would not expect it to be present in the app yet.

Can you attach the image which is not giving the result you expect, so that I can investigate. My guess is that the photo is identified as Korscheltellus lupulinus which would not be matched against our list as we have Korscheltellus lupulina without the synonym, at present.

[larspett]

Sounds likely, here it is (not cropped here)

[JimBacon]

It's more depressing than I thought. The image classifier returns another synonym altogether, Pharmacis lupulina.

We need to do something to align the eBMS and the NIA taxonomy. David's comment suggests this is planned.

[larspett]

What is the NIA taxonomy? Couldn't easily find my way through all NIA acronyms

[JimBacon]

Nature Identification API

[DavidRoy]

We are switching the updated NIA soon. We’ll also review taxonomy then

[DavidRoy]

NIA = ObsIdentify

[kazlauskis]

The app part is done for this and includes the Swedish moth names. Can we close it now?

[DavidRoy]

@larspett

[JimBacon]

I can see a comment of mine from 22 May: 'This leaves 74 unmatched names still to import'
Don't close until I have been able to check what happened to those.

There is a separate issue, Indicia-Team/drupal-8-modules-indicia-ai#2, regarding updating the NIA classifier. This is also still to do.

[larspett]

Last time I had a look there were still numerous names in German. I can have a look now. Which ones are the unmatched names @JimBacon ?

[larspett]

This, for instance, is an attempt to view butterfly data but what appears as top entries are bumblebees and hoverfles

[larspett]

Some more examples:

[larspett]

Looks like synonyms that are missing

• Fruktträdssommarvecklare Archips podanus
• Mattgul lavspinnare Eilema depressum
• Unknown could be Okänd