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Evaluate semantics of "ecosystem functional groups" #1578
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Yes, I think we do need a class. My latest comment on #1571 suggests three classes for ecological classifications:
In this way "ecosystem functional group" would be subclass of
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I don't think this works. This is the definition of a classification rationale, not the things in the world it classifies. I very much doubt an EFG is a type of ecoregion. What, metaphysically, is the thing that is delineated by this approach? what are its boundaries? what are its differentia?
We'll have to unpack this so it's more logically coherent. I see what they are attempting to do, but these traits are anchored to organisms, not ecosystems, which puts it at odds with the EFG def above. |
Strawman definitions to iterate upon, which assume that the boundaries of EFGs are asserted by human convention (i.e. by fiat): 'ecosystem group' =def. "A fiat part of an astronomical object which is composed of at least two ecosystems." 'ecosystem functional group' =def. "An ecosystem group which has fiat boundaries determined by thresholds detected or asserted in the variability of phenotypic traits." |
I think this is the core issue - are we trying to describe ecosystems, or to describe the classification schemes that people use to classify the ecosystems? I think there is value in both, but if we are trying to describe ecosystems, we may be reinventing the wheel a bit and it might be simpler to pick one classification scheme and hew to that.
I believe that the "group" refers to a grouping of functional traits within a particular area.
It might be helpful to take T2.2 Deciduous Temperate Forests (pg. 45 of PDF) as an example: Each page has these flowcharts describing the ecosystem but ecological traits are at the core. Perhaps then:
Then we would need to define ecological traits. |
You have hit the nail on the head. I think a lot of OBO could be a lot more up-front about the fact it is geared entirely towards the former, with the latter relegated to ad-hoc metaclass systems. This is not necessarily bad, we just need to be more transparent about it. This is touched on in this general OBO-wide ticket:
Agree 100%. In addition, there could be a push to represent alternative classification schemes using best OWL practice, and have SSSOM mappings between them. But yes, ontologies work best (and in particular OBO-style ontologies) if they try for a boring theory-free simple consensus classification system that is broadly understandable by a wide range of users, following common-sense best practice |
From Table 2 of the PDF source above
It is a group of ecosystems that are parts of a biome (the same instance?) within which organisms share similar traits due to similar selective pressures |
Looking at the instances of EFGs, I don't think we need a new class. The actual "grouping" occurs at the instance level, not at the class level. As @cmungall and @ben-norton #1556 (comment) noted, the organising levels of the IUCN scheme are more convenience / theory (in an informal sense) driven hierarchies than metaphysical ones. This means that we can extend ENVOs range of ecosystems to cover what wasn't present in the WWF (e.g. Temperate pyric humid forests), and map to the IUCN with annotation properties (I don't think there are any PIDs for us to build SSSOM matrices ) |
@cmungall @matentzn is there some recent documentation on how to set up a ROBOT spreadsheet ? @timalamenciak can then use that to prep definitions and annotation properties in a batch |
Indeed. I'm generally skeptical of hierarchies with a fixed number of levels having special names or tags, unless they are clearly tied to some concrete differentiation. |
Thanks for the analysis everyone I'll close this issue and create a new one for adding the IUCN ecosystem classes to the existing framework @timalamenciak be sure to add @cmungall @dr-shorthair in separate I'll create a GitHub discussion on the categorisation schemes vs metaphysical entities with excerpts from this thread (perhaps similar threads if i can find them) for posterity . |
I think I've got a reasonable handle on the ROBOT template syntax. Just to be clear: we are minting each of the realms, biomes and ecosystem functional groups as
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porting to #1579 |
CC @timalamenciak
#1556 noted the IUCN term "ecosystem functional group".
What are the differentia of this category ?
Do we need a class for this ?
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