diff --git a/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/App.vue b/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/App.vue
index 6128db2c9..ac11d4c8e 100644
--- a/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/App.vue
+++ b/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/App.vue
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@
 
       <v-btn variant="text" to="/">Home</v-btn>
       <v-btn variant="text" to="/test">Test</v-btn>
+      <v-btn variant="text" to="/test-setup">Test2</v-btn>
       <v-btn variant="text" to="/audit-logs">Audit</v-btn>
       <v-btn variant="text" href="/coalesce-security">Security Overview</v-btn>
 
diff --git a/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test-setup.vue b/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test-setup.vue
index 81c0479af..28c66d8f2 100644
--- a/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test-setup.vue
+++ b/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test-setup.vue
@@ -1,32 +1,70 @@
 <template>
   <v-container>
     <v-btn @click="add" prepend-icon="fa fa-plus"> Add Product </v-btn>
-    <v-btn @click="vm.$bulkSave()" :loading="vm.$bulkSave.isLoading" prepend-icon="fa fa-save"> Save </v-btn>
-    <v-btn @click="vm.$load()" :loading="vm.$load.isLoading" prepend-icon="fa fa-sync"> Load </v-btn>
+    <v-btn
+      @click="vm.$bulkSave()"
+      :loading="vm.$bulkSave.isLoading"
+      prepend-icon="fa fa-save"
+    >
+      Save
+    </v-btn>
+    <v-btn
+      @click="vm.$load()"
+      :loading="vm.$load.isLoading"
+      prepend-icon="fa fa-sync"
+    >
+      Load
+    </v-btn>
+    <input
+      v-model="vm.caseKey"
+      :disabled="vm.caseKey && !vm.$getPropDirty('caseKey')"
+      placeholder="PK to load"
+    />
 
-    <c-loader-status :loaders="{'': [vm.$bulkSave]}"></c-loader-status>
+    <c-loader-status :loaders="{ '': [vm.$bulkSave] }"></c-loader-status>
     <h2>Case (pk: {{ vm.$primaryKey }})</h2>
 
+    <c-input :model="vm" for="title"></c-input>
     <c-input :model="vm" for="caseProducts"></c-input>
     <div v-for="x in vm.caseProducts">
-      <v-btn variant="text" size="x-small" @click="x.product?.$remove(); x.product=null; x.$remove()" icon="fa fa-trash"></v-btn>
-      <v-btn variant="text" size="x-small" @click="x.product?.$remove(); x.product=newProduct();" icon="fa fa-sync"></v-btn>
+      <v-btn
+        variant="text"
+        size="x-small"
+        @click="
+          x.product?.$remove();
+          x.product = null;
+          x.$remove();
+        "
+        icon="fa fa-trash"
+      ></v-btn>
+      <v-btn
+        variant="text"
+        size="x-small"
+        @click="
+          x.product?.$remove();
+          x.product = newProduct();
+        "
+        icon="fa fa-sync"
+      ></v-btn>
       {{ x.product?.name }}: (pk: {{ x.$primaryKey }}, ref {{ x.$stableId }})
-
     </div>
   </v-container>
 </template>
 
 <script setup lang="ts">
 import { CaseApiClient } from "@/api-clients.g";
-import { CaseViewModel, PersonViewModel, ProductViewModel } from "@/viewmodels.g";
+import {
+  CaseViewModel,
+  PersonViewModel,
+  ProductViewModel,
+} from "@/viewmodels.g";
 import { useBindToQueryString } from "coalesce-vue";
 import { ref } from "vue";
 
 // const vm = new CaseViewModel({title: 'asd'});
 const vm = new CaseViewModel();
-vm.$load(1);
-  vm.assignedTo = new PersonViewModel({ firstName: "bob", companyId: 1 });
+// vm.$load(1);
+vm.assignedTo = new PersonViewModel({ firstName: "bob", companyId: 1 });
 
 vm.$bulkSave.setConcurrency("debounce");
 async function add() {
@@ -39,7 +77,9 @@ async function del() {
 }
 
 function newProduct() {
-  return new ProductViewModel({ name: products[Math.ceil(Math.random() * products.length)-1] });
+  return new ProductViewModel({
+    name: products[Math.ceil(Math.random() * products.length) - 1],
+  });
 }
 
 const products = [
diff --git a/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test.vue b/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test.vue
index 2353eba20..d7ff24bf8 100644
--- a/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test.vue
+++ b/playground/Coalesce.Web.Vue3/src/components/test.vue
@@ -67,41 +67,6 @@
         :src="caseVm.downloadImage.getResultObjectUrl()"
         style="max-width: 100%"
       />
-
-      <c-admin-table :list="personList"></c-admin-table>
-
-      <!--<video v-if="caseVm.caseKey" :src="caseVm.downloadImage.getResultObjectUrl(this)" controls style="max-width: 100%">
-  </video>-->
-      <!--
-  <video v-if="caseVm.caseKey" :src="caseVm.downloadImage.url" controls style="max-width: 100%">
-  </video> -->
-      <v-form>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="title"></c-input>
-        <c-input
-          :model="caseVm"
-          for="description"
-          textarea
-          placeholder="asdf"
-        ></c-input>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="openedAt"></c-input>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="assignedTo" disabled></c-input>
-        <c-select :model="caseVm" for="assignedTo" readonly></c-select>
-        <c-select
-          for="Person"
-          v-model="caseVm.assignedTo"
-          placeholder="asdf"
-        ></c-select>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="reportedBy" placeholder="asdf"></c-input>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="attachmentSize"></c-input>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="severity"></c-input>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="status"></c-input>
-        <c-input :model="caseVm" for="caseProducts"></c-input>
-        <c-display :model="caseVm" for="title" />
-      </v-form>
-      <v-text-field
-        v-model="caseVm.title"
-        label="vuetify direct"
-      ></v-text-field>
     </c-loader-status>
     <!-- <c-input :model="person" for="height" /> -->
   </v-container>
@@ -135,97 +100,17 @@ export default class Test extends Base {
   date = null;
   caseVm = new CaseViewModel();
 
-  pagination = {
-    sortBy: "",
-    page: 1,
-    rowsPerPage: 10,
-    descending: false,
-  };
-  count: number = 0;
-  search: string = "";
-  nextPage() {}
-  previousPage() {}
-
-  createMethods = {
-    getLabel(search: string, items: Person[]) {
-      const searchLower = search.toLowerCase();
-      if (items.some((a) => a.name?.toLowerCase().indexOf(searchLower) == 0)) {
-        return false;
-      }
-      return search;
-    },
-    async getItem(search: string, label: string) {
-      var vm = new PersonViewModel();
-      vm.firstName = label;
-      vm.height = 2;
-      vm.companyId = 3;
-      await vm.$save();
-      return vm;
-    },
-  };
-
-  async delete() {
-    console.log("delete");
-  }
-
-  get showProps() {
-    return Object.values(metadata.Person.props).filter(
-      (p) => p.role != "primaryKey" && p.role != "foreignKey"
-    );
-  }
-
-  get headers() {
-    return this.showProps.map((o) => ({ text: o.displayName, value: o.name }));
-  }
-
-  @Watch("pagination")
-  getData() {
-    this.isLoading = true;
-
-    new PersonApiClient()
-      .list({
-        page: this.pagination.page,
-        pageSize: this.pagination.rowsPerPage,
-        search: this.search,
-        orderBy: this.pagination.descending
-          ? undefined
-          : this.pagination.sortBy,
-        orderByDescending: this.pagination.descending
-          ? this.pagination.sortBy
-          : undefined,
-      })
-      .then((res) => {
-        const listResult = res.data;
-        const list = listResult.list;
-        this.isLoading = false;
-        if (!list) return;
-
-        this.items = list;
-        this.pagination.page = listResult.page ?? 0;
-        this.pagination.rowsPerPage = listResult.pageSize ?? 0;
-        this.count = listResult.totalCount ?? 0;
-
-        // this.person = new PersonViewModel(list[0]);
-      });
-  }
-
   async created() {
     this.personList.$params.noCount = true;
 
     await this.caseVm.$load(15);
-    await this.caseVm.downloadImage(), this.caseVm.$startAutoSave(this);
+    await this.caseVm.downloadImage();
     await this.company.$load(1);
 
     //await this.person.$load(1);
   }
 
-  async mounted() {
-    //new CaseViewModel({ caseKey: 1 }).uploadByteArray(new Uint8Array([60, 61, 62, 63]))
-    //new CaseViewModel({ caseKey: 1 }).uploadByteArray("abcd")
-    //var caller = this.person!.$apiClient.$makeCaller("item", c => c.changeSpacesToDashesInName(1));
-    //caller.result
-    //this.person.$startAutoSave(this, { wait: 0 })
-  }
+  async mounted() {}
 
   items: models.Person[] = [];
 }
diff --git a/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify2/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue b/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify2/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue
index 7f6740bcb..e90e07a9b 100644
--- a/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify2/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue
+++ b/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify2/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue
@@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
     :item-text="$attrs['item-text'] || itemText"
     :item-value="itemValue"
     :return-object="true"
-    :disabled="!modelPkValue"
+    :disabled="isDisabled"
     no-filter
     v-bind="inputBindAttrs"
   >
@@ -84,6 +84,26 @@ export default defineComponent({
       return model ? (model as any)[model.$metadata.keyProp.name] : null;
     },
 
+    isDisabled() {
+      if (this.model instanceof ViewModel && this.model.$isAutoSaveEnabled) {
+        // If autosave is enabled (and therefore we're going to be calling
+        // APIs on the viewmodel automatically, we can only do so if we're able
+        // to populate the near-side foreign key on the join entity
+        // using the PK of the model we're bound to.
+
+        // This is not as precise a check as it could be, since if deep autosaves are enabled,
+        // once `this.model` gets saved then FKs will be fixed up and then the active unsaved
+        // will become valid and get saved too.
+        return this.modelPkValue == null;
+      } else {
+        // If not autosaving then we shouldn't force disabled
+        // since if bulkSaves are being used, bulkSaves can handle
+        // missing FK values as long as navigation properties are populated
+        // (which we do - see the `items` computed below.)
+        return false;
+      }
+    },
+
     items() {
       const items = this.listCaller.result || [];
       const manyToManyMeta = this.manyToManyMeta;
@@ -284,7 +304,10 @@ export default defineComponent({
               // @ts-expect-error internal state
               vm._isRemoved = true;
               // @ts-expect-error internal state
-              vm.$parent && (vm.$parent.$removedItems ??= []).push(vm);
+              if (vm.$parent) {
+                // @ts-expect-error internal state
+                (vm.$parent.$removedItems ??= []).push(vm);
+              }
             }
           }
         } else {
diff --git a/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify3/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue b/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify3/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue
index 3a26eab52..a7738dcf3 100644
--- a/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify3/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue
+++ b/src/coalesce-vue-vuetify3/src/components/input/c-select-many-to-many.vue
@@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
     :item-title="itemText"
     :item-value="itemValue"
     :return-object="true"
-    :disabled="!modelPkValue"
+    :disabled="isDisabled"
     no-filter
     v-bind="inputBindAttrs"
   >
@@ -85,6 +85,26 @@ export default defineComponent({
       return model ? (model as any)[model.$metadata.keyProp.name] : null;
     },
 
+    isDisabled() {
+      if (this.model instanceof ViewModel && this.model.$isAutoSaveEnabled) {
+        // If autosave is enabled (and therefore we're going to be calling
+        // APIs on the viewmodel automatically, we can only do so if we're able
+        // to populate the near-side foreign key on the join entity
+        // using the PK of the model we're bound to.
+
+        // This is not as precise a check as it could be, since if deep autosaves are enabled,
+        // once `this.model` gets saved then FKs will be fixed up and then the active unsaved
+        // will become valid and get saved too.
+        return this.modelPkValue == null;
+      } else {
+        // If not autosaving then we shouldn't force disabled
+        // since if bulkSaves are being used, bulkSaves can handle
+        // missing FK values as long as navigation properties are populated
+        // (which we do - see the `items` computed below.)
+        return false;
+      }
+    },
+
     items() {
       const items = this.listCaller.result || [];
       const manyToManyMeta = this.manyToManyMeta;
@@ -309,7 +329,10 @@ export default defineComponent({
               // @ts-expect-error internal state
               vm._isRemoved = true;
               // @ts-expect-error internal state
-              vm.$parent && (vm.$parent.$removedItems ??= []).push(vm);
+              if (vm.$parent) {
+                // @ts-expect-error internal state
+                (vm.$parent.$removedItems ??= []).push(vm);
+              }
             }
           }
         } else {