So about effect groups

[regulus79]

In addition to being able to save effects as presets,

it would be *awesome* to be able to group effects together and move them around, save them as a preset, copy them to other instruments, or just to make things more organized.

It would be even cooler if these "effect groups" could have optional linkable knobs at the front which the user can assign to whatever knobs in the effects. That way people would be able to put together a super cool effect chain, put it in a group with user-friendly controls, and save it as a preset for people to use!

The reason I'm making this discussion post is to ask you guys, How should effect groups work?
In particular, the two ideas I have are

1. Make the effect groups live in the effect rack, and let them be collapsable to save room. You just click on them, and the effects within the group appear below them, with some kind of outline or whatever to show the user that the effects are part of the group.
2. Make the effect groups live in the effect rack, but have a button which opens a small window with another "effect rack" showing the effects in the group. This would mean that an effect group would be like any other effect, but when you open it it shows another effect chain.

[bratpeki]

Effect presets as a step in that direction would be awesome! We could literally make them just be like the current preset system, and you can drag the preset into the effect stack to drop it to the top of the stack.

[bratpeki]

As for the question, the first one sounds better, IMO. With the resizable mixer, it would flow nicer than if there was a window you could lose track of under all the effects you open.

[regulus79]

The current effect chain is not resizeable horizontally though, so groups within groups within groups might get cluttered.