Current Status #33
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I'm working on RAND, but so far I haven't got anything beyond those two
additional documents.
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Okay. Thanks. The CHM has some documents of historical significance (as you likely know) but trying to get anything out of them is going to be impossible. Things born digital should be made easily digitally accessible. |
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Do you have a list? I may have a favor to call in at the CHM. |
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One thing that remains to be done, is to compare the addresses in the new listing with the old. I don't think they match yet. |
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True. Do you think the extra comments could be causing that or something else? |
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This is peculiar. Pg. 41 doesn't seem to be missing any instructions and most of the page's addresses match except for the last few instructions. |
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I don't have the combined file you're assembling but it looks like in the file I typed in I missed one instruction. There's supposed to be a "jsr cvtl1" just before the "aos tint(c)". |
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Thanks. Go ahead and correct it. I've just been just joining different files together with cat and using a tool included with simh called asc to process the line endings so TOPS-10 can read them properly after using the simulated KA10's paper tape reader (it's a stupid trick that also works with the PDP-11 sims). I don't know what @larsbrinkhoff is doing to get them in. He's probably using a file he's created on his own and we're coming up with the same results. Unprocessed (jos_su.mac): jos_su.pt.txt |
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Never mind. Added. |
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On TOPS-10, using + instead of commas seems to produce fewer errors. I might need to see why this is. I might have to see what the <> notation does. OH! It tells the compiler and/or loader that it's one program more easily. |
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All I did was Maybe it's time to go from the separate pageNNN files to a single su.mac? |
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Maybe but the separate files are easier to edit.
Here’s a compromise: produce a single file that will be updated when the pages get fixed.
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My CHM agent says he's working on it. Especially the first item looks interesting because the description includes "program listing". |
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Cool! Thanks. So, my hunch was likely correct? |
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They say it's 30 cents per scanned page. |
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And how many pages?
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I don't know, that's all I heard so far.
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CHM quoted $6000 for scanning their documents. |
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They’re out of their mind. That reads like they don’t want to do it.
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I contacted RAND Archives again through their online form and got this back:
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Going through that bibliography, I see some things from around 1967 that seem of interest:
Everything else is either already online, or is not related to the PDP-6 implementation. |
Correct. In fact, those are the bits we likely wanted. Also, the Disc File System and Distributor documents contain a weird mix of pseudocode and machine code in them. It'll be an undertaking but we might be able to resurrect them. There may be some other difficulties but we'll get to that when we get there. In the meantime, it's probably time for me to start studying MACRO-10 again with whatever else I'm studying ATM. |
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So I'll ask for those three documents. After that, I guess we'll have to roll our own or get code from AID for the components we don't have original JOSS-II source code for. |
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Hey all, I received those three documents. They are now on a branch called lars/rand. |
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Note, the documents are not available for free from the Rand website so please don't distribute. |
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Cool! I’ll merge them later.
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I received those three documents. They are now on a branch called lars/rand.
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Or not. But okay.
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Oh. And thanks to both you and RAND, Lars. I don’t think I would have gotten as far without help.
So, from a cursory look in the JOSS: User Scheduling and Allocation, there is a single piece of non-DEC hardware mentioned because of the line concentrator. It’s apparently custom and based around the Stowager switch. It then inputs into a line the 630 if I’m reading things right.
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Cool! I’ll merge them later.
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My current assumption is that kmon was a shim for the monitor. I could be wrong but the AID code does mention some weird things. I should figure out how to extract the code from the TOPS-10 7.03/7.04 tapes and upload it since segments were removed. There's a mention of DDT in it, which, even for Monitor 5.03, would have been odd. AID returned to the Monitor level and never to DDT on Monitor/TOPS-10 and TOPS-20. I should run diff on the known files and find what changed in the code. I'm also tempted to rename the repo to JOSS-II, ATM. |
So, I got it to compile. Sort of.
It's not willing to run, however. There are still too many missing symbols for it to be functional. We might want to get a hold of RAND to see if they have anything to help us like more listings.
If not, it's going to take some serious reverse engineering to get it to work. It looks like KMON covers both the supervisor and distributor.
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