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China Overlord Bunker does not grant GARRISON bonus to passengers #2131

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commy2 opened this issue Jul 21, 2023 · 8 comments · May be fixed by #2152
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China Overlord Bunker does not grant GARRISON bonus to passengers #2131

commy2 opened this issue Jul 21, 2023 · 8 comments · May be fixed by #2152
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Bug Something is not working right China Affects China faction Minor Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker

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@commy2
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commy2 commented Jul 21, 2023

In Zero Hour, when units like rocketeers are place inside buildings, they gain a GARRISON bonus which gives them 133% range and 125% damage.

The GARRISON bonus does not apply when units are placed inside vehicles. There is one exception to this: GARRISON bonus is granted to units inside a Bunker Helix.

unit / building GARRISON bonus
Humvee no
Outpost no
Bunker Overlord no
Bunker Helix yes
Battle Bus no
Fire Base yes
(Inf) Bunker yes
Palace yes
any civilian building yes

This oddity is likely an oversight, but it makes the Helix viable, as with this bonus they can engage even long range AA weapons like Quads with good micro and deal a lot of damage.

The Bunker Overlord is mostly unviable in comparison. The only time you maybe want to use them is against Crusaders/Laser tanks. I think this is mostly because of the underwhelming range and damage of the garrisoned rocketeers.

It is odd that putting a Bunker on an Overlord negates the range and damage bonus of the static base defense Bunker, especially while it does not do this for the Helix Bunker.

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@commy2 commy2 added Bug Something is not working right China Affects China faction labels Jul 21, 2023
@xezon xezon changed the title Overlord Bunker Is Bad Overlord Bunker does not grant range and damage bonus to passengers Jul 21, 2023
@xezon xezon changed the title Overlord Bunker does not grant range and damage bonus to passengers China Overlord Bunker does not grant range and damage bonus to passengers Jul 21, 2023
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xezon commented Jul 21, 2023

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xezon commented Jul 21, 2023

Rocket Overlord cost

Overlord 2000
Bunker 400
5 Rocket Men 1500
Total 3900

Rocket Helix cost

Helix 1500
Bunker 400
5 Rocket Men 1500
Total 3400

@xezon xezon changed the title China Overlord Bunker does not grant range and damage bonus to passengers China Overlord Bunker does not grant GARRISON bonus to passengers Jul 21, 2023
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xezon commented Jul 21, 2023

Rocket men already outrange ground tanks by 25. Increasing the range would make Overlord quite a bit stronger. But perhaps is ok given the investment it requires.

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commy2 commented Jul 21, 2023

Note that USA gets Search And Destroy, which gives 120% range to rocketeers, which means Rockvees outrange troops inside an Overlord Bunker, while also being 3 times as fast (top speed and turn rate) and can reverse.

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MTKing4 commented Jul 21, 2023

With this change overlords will outrange S&D Vees 😁
Also rockets will shoot before the main cannon does.

That being said, overlord sucks in general, and bunker is the worst upgrade possible, so maybe it's ok considering you lost out on healing or anti inf/air steatlth detector for this

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ImTimK commented Jul 21, 2023

I like the idea, would hopefully and finally make it a worthy investment.

With this change overlords will outrange S&D Vees 😁 Also rockets will shoot before the main cannon does.

Does it?

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MTKing4 commented Jul 22, 2023

GARRISON 133%
S&D 120%

if MDs and Tank Hunters have Equal Range, which i think they do, then this means Overlords will now outrange S&D Vees

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ImTimK commented Jul 26, 2023

GARRISON 133%

S&D 120%

if MDs and Tank Hunters have Equal Range, which i think they do, then this means Overlords will now outrange S&D Vees

You would say so then yea, I now wonder how effective bunkerlords will become.

@xezon xezon added the Minor Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker label Aug 8, 2023
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