diff --git a/src/keri/app/habbing.py b/src/keri/app/habbing.py
index 95bd3b247..5dbd11204 100644
--- a/src/keri/app/habbing.py
+++ b/src/keri/app/habbing.py
@@ -2099,7 +2099,8 @@ def __init__(self, **kwa):
 
     def make(self, *, secrecies=None, iridx=0, code=coring.MtrDex.Blake3_256, dcode=coring.MtrDex.Blake3_256,
              icode=coring.MtrDex.Ed25519_Seed, transferable=True, isith=None, icount=1, nsith=None, ncount=None,
-             toad=None, wits=None, delpre=None, estOnly=False, DnD=False, hidden=False, data=None):
+             toad=None, wits=None, delpre=None, estOnly=False, DnD=False, hidden=False, data=None, algo=None,
+             salt=None, tier=None):
         """
         Finish setting up or making Hab from parameters includes inception.
         Assumes injected dependencies were already setup.
@@ -2133,6 +2134,10 @@ def make(self, *, secrecies=None, iridx=0, code=coring.MtrDex.Blake3_256, dcode=
 
             hidden (bool): A hidden Hab is not included in the list of Habs.
             data (list | None): seal dicts
+                        algo is str key creation algorithm code
+            salt(str): qb64 salt for randomization when salty algorithm used
+            tier(str): is str security criticality tier code when using salty algorithm
+
 
         """
         if not (self.ks.opened and self.db.opened and self.cf.opened):
@@ -2164,6 +2169,9 @@ def make(self, *, secrecies=None, iridx=0, code=coring.MtrDex.Blake3_256, dcode=
                                               stem=stem,
                                               transferable=transferable,
                                               dcode=dcode,
+                                              algo=algo,
+                                              salt=salt,
+                                              tier=tier,
                                               temp=self.temp)
 
         serder = super(Hab, self).make(isith=isith,
@@ -2208,6 +2216,11 @@ def make(self, *, secrecies=None, iridx=0, code=coring.MtrDex.Blake3_256, dcode=
 
         self.inited = True
 
+    @property
+    def algo(self):
+        pp = self.ks.prms.get(self.pre)
+        return pp.algo
+
     def rotate(self, *, isith=None, nsith=None, ncount=None, toad=None, cuts=None, adds=None,
                data=None, **kwargs):
         """
diff --git a/src/keri/app/keeping.py b/src/keri/app/keeping.py
index 4275636a3..516b56853 100644
--- a/src/keri/app/keeping.py
+++ b/src/keri/app/keeping.py
@@ -1010,15 +1010,16 @@ def incept(self, icodes=None, icount=1, icode=coring.MtrDex.Ed25519_Seed,
                                   transferable=transferable, temp=temp)
         digers = [coring.Diger(ser=signer.verfer.qb64b, code=dcode) for signer in nsigners]
 
-
         # Secret to encrypt here
         pp = PrePrm(pidx=pidx,
                     algo=algo,
-                    salt=(creator.salt if not self.encrypter
-                          else self.encrypter.encrypt(ser=creator.salt).qb64),
                     stem=creator.stem,
                     tier=creator.tier)
 
+        if creator.salt:
+            pp.salt = (creator.salt if not self.encrypter
+                       else self.encrypter.encrypt(ser=creator.salt).qb64)
+
         dt = helping.nowIso8601()
         ps = PreSit(
                     new=PubLot(pubs=[verfer.qb64 for verfer in verfers],