Requests for Keywords

[CSWinnall]

Hi @cortexrd,

Idea for a keyword.

_hcop Hide Column on Print
Will work exactly like your _hc keyword

or

_hfop - Hide Field on Print

Craig

[CSWinnall]

Another suggestion

Would it be possible to for any of your keywords like _hc _ni _rc to have a parameter that accepts a user role i.e "object_xxx" (or even better the name of the user role i.e. developer) so that columns could be hidden based on user role?

In our use case we often need to hide certain columns/fields from different user roles.

Craig

[cortexrd]

Actually, I've been thinking about this for a while also. I'm trying to find a unified solution that would apply to any keyword, without conflicting with the existing instances. One option could be for example, to have a "keyword suffix" that would open the door to any additional options.

I refer to them as "suffixes" in the sense that they would be placed after the last parameter of the existing keyword. This would introduce a new series of parameters and could be daisy chained at will.

The lowercase "ktl token would trigger the parser to interpret this as a sub-keyword and as the start of a new optional parameters sequence.

A few examples:

_hc=Phone, Address, ktlRolesIncl, Sales Clerk, Store Manager
This would hide Phone and Address columns, but only if the logged-in user has the Sales Clerk or Store Manager roles.

_hc=Phone, Address, ktlRolesExcl, Sales Clerk, Store Manager, ktlNameIncl, Craig Doe, Amanda Smith
This would hide Phone and Address columns, but only if the logged-in user doesn't have the Sales Clerk nor Store Manager roles - AND his name is Craig Doe or Amanda Smith.

Food for thoughts...
Norm

[cortexrd]

Hi @cortexrd,

Idea for a keyword.

_hcop Hide Column on Print Will work exactly like your _hc keyword

or

_hfop - Hide Field on Print

Craig

Following the same concept of ktlKw suffixes as above, I'd consider this option: ktlOnPrint
It would work with all keyword, where it would make sense, and ignored if not.

Norm

[CSWinnall]

Hi Norm This would be amazing. I'll definitely give this ago. Kind regards, Craig

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On Fri, 9 Jun 2023, 14:31 Cortex R&D Inc., ***@***.***> wrote: Actually, I've been thinking about this for a while also. I'm trying to find a unified solution that would apply to any keyword, without conflicting with the existing instances. One option could be for example, to have a "keyword suffix" that would open the door to any additional options. I refer to them as "suffixes" in the sense that they would be placed *after* the last parameter of the existing keyword. This would introduce a new series of parameters and could be daisy chained at will. The lowercase "*ktl* token would trigger the parser to interpret this as a sub-keyword and as the start of a new optional parameters sequence. A few examples: *_hc=Phone, Address, ktlRolesIncl, Sales Clerk, Store Manager* This would hide Phone and Address columns, but only if the logged-in user has the Sales Clerk or Store Manager role. *_hc=Phone, Address, ktlRolesExcl, Sales Clerk, Store Manager*, ktlNameIncl, John Doe This would hide Phone and Address columns, but only if the logged-in user doesn't have the Sales Clerk nor Store Manager role - AND his name is John Doe. Food for thoughts... Norm — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#36 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACQQXA5VRXZF6SNECQ7MXJ3XKMQSRANCNFSM6AAAAAAYR5AMY4> . You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: <cortexrd/Knack-Toolkit-Library/repo-discussions/36/comments/6133146@ github.com>

[CSWinnall]

Hi Norm

The ktlRoles works perfectly

thank you

[Greenlight88]

Hi Norm, recent improvements are tremendous thank you - I have a suggested enhancement for _hc

It would be great if this supported ktlrefval

My use case would be to hide a column based on the presence of summary data from a grid eg Total Reports with Changes Requested=0 ? then Hide column Changes made

Have been playing around with your more advanced features, its amazing

[cortexrd]

Thanks Michael for your nice comments!

About your use case, I had something in mind that could address that, and many others.

It would be a generic ktlCmp (compare) or ktlCond (condition) keyword option that would compare two values and if the result is true, only then would the keyword be applied. The syntax would be almost identical to the existing _cfv keyword's set of parameters, with eq, neq, gte, etc. except for the colors. This options could be used with any existing keywords, where it'd make sense.

I have to think about it thoroughly before I start coding though.

Norm

[cortexrd]

Hi Michael,

I know it's not exactly what you need (summary), but maybe you can modify your page to add a Details view (invisible with _hv?) that would trigger the behavior you need.

See my post below: #36 (comment)

[Greenlight88]

Thanks so much Norm - I'll give this a try

[CSWinnall]

Hi Norm

Suggestion:
Could you have a new keyword modifier maybe ktlScrnWidth (just a suggestion) which could have the standard width for mobile, tablet, desktop. Then have custom sizes i.e. 1000px.

For example

_style=[font-size: 14px], [ktlScrnWidth, mobile], [ktlTarget, scene]
_style=[font-size: 16px], [ktlScrnWidth, 1000px], [ktlTarget, scene]

Amanda

[cortexrd]

Hi Amanda,

I've seen your request a while ago in the issues page. Actually, keep posting future requests here instead, it's better.

About your use cases above, I'd need a bit more information.

1. I see two keywords. Could both be used in a given view, or just one of the two at once?
2. Write one keyword line and below, translate to English what it does, just like I do in the Universal Selector examples here

If you could give us a few more examples, with all the details needed, that would be the best.

Cheers,
Normand

[jbk68]

Hey Norm, would be a nice "enhancement" to the keyword _hc if it had the ability to hide the column based on another field's value.

We have assigned each of our customers with a unique ID number and I'd like to hide particular columns for certain customers.

Example: Customer "1234" logs in, column 5 is hidden. Customer "2468" logs in, all columns including column 5 are visible.

Thanks... JON

[jbk68]

Hey Norm, have you given any thought to my suggestion for "enhancement" to the keyword _hc? (_hcv???) The ability to hide a particular column based on the logged in customer's ID is something I could really use. There are certain columns that don't pertain to certain customers or the column is blank and we are forced to display this blank column. Any and all help on this would be much appreciated as is all the work you have done for the Knack community with KTL.

Thank you sir... JON

[cortexrd]

See my reply below: #36 (comment)

[jbk68]

Hey Norm, I have an idea for a keyword.

_gdv Grid Default Value

This keyword would set the value of a grid when initially viewed to an assigned default value even if that default value is blank. When user enters a search parameter (ie "1234"), all data containing "1234" is displayed in grid. User presses "reset", grid shows assigned default value. If the assigned default value is blank or some value that doesn't exists in grid (ie "xyz123"), Knack's empty grid text is displayed (ie No Records Found...)

[cortexrd]

Hi Jon,

I don't really understand what you mean here, and what problem would that solve. Can you give us more information, with a typical use case? A few screen grabs would help and a sequence of events, user actions, etc.

Norm

[CSWinnall]

Hi Norm

Just a suggestion to make the dev popup always in the view-port rather than the page if possible.

Craig

[cortexrd]

Craig,

It's not clear to me what you refer to as a view-port, vs a page...
Why would you need that? Can you provide the mock up of a screen grab?

Norm

[CSWinnall]

Hi Norm I'll provide a screen grab tomorrow. All I mean is that if I have scrolled way down a very long page and I click on the version bar, I have to scroll all the way back to the top of the page to see the dev pop up. If I click on the version bar which is sticky. It would be great if the Dev pop up was also sticky too, so it always appears in the screen where I am looking. Sorry it wasn't very clear before. I get these thoughts and I don't always think them through. Something for me to work on. Craig

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[cortexrd]

Ok, I see what you mean now. I tried using the Dev Popup with a long page and indeed, it is not ideal. When I scroll down, the popup disappears as it goes up, out of reach.

I'll see what I can do. Just applying the sticky position does not work as intended. More work is required.
I also need to add a method to reset the position, as it can become unreachable in some cases, like if the resolution changes.

Norm

[cortexrd]

Jon, I think we may have a new feature that does the job. It is not yet documented, but here are the guidelines: It's a new option called **ktlCond** (Condition) that currently works with _hc (only). It works with **Details** and **Form** views. Syntax is: **_hc=[Column],[ktlCond, operator, value, field/JQuery selector, view]** Column will be hidden when the field's value matches the operator's value. Example: **_hc=[Sales],[ktlCond, is, Normand, Clerk, Store Sales]** Will hide column Sales in current view, when the Clerk is Normand in the Store Sales view (details view type). Multiple instances and roles are supported. Enjoy, Normand Defayette Cortex R&D Inc. ctrnd.com

[amandajane-mo]

Have you tried this . .

_cfv =[field_346,is,NO,,,,h], [ktlTarget, columnHeader]

columnHeader being the text you have in the column header?

I tried it on a similar setup to what you described and it worked

[jbk68]

Once again, thank you for the reply Amanda. I finally got that to work. The problem was the space between _cfv and the "=" sign.
If I had a space, didn't work. Removed space, works great. I even got it working for the original action link using a connected field. I also had to put a label on the column that the action link is on.

Not to excited about a column label above the button.

Do you by chance know the keyword (if there is one) how to hide a columns' label?

Maybe a work around would be to color (white out) the label, but I can't see to find a keyword to change a particular table's column label.

Thank again for all you help. Much appreciated... JON

[jbk68]

Hello Amanda, once again thank you for your help yesterday.

You offered my help for my "#2" issues/problem I was having. Here is what I'm trying to accomplish:

Similar to the issue you help me with where I hide an action button based on another field value, I want to do the same exact thing but this time I want to hide the entire column based on another field's value. I tried using the _cfv keyword, and I was able to hide the action button but not the column's label. Basically I want to hide the column just like the keyword _hc does but base hiding/showing it on another field's value.

Example: if field_1 = "1234" then hide column labeled "edit".

Thanks again... JON

[cortexrd]

Hi Jon and Amanda,

Thanks for reporting the space problem around the equal sign. I've fixed that and spaces will be accepted in next release.

Norm

[amandajane-mo]

Thanks Norm that's great
Amanda

[amandajane-mo]

Hi Jon,

You were right it was something simply, I've made the same mistake myself with the space.

There's no keyword for hiding a column header, but you could use _style to set the th span to display none. I've done it here to hide the th that contains Work Flow

_style=[display:none], [ktlTarget, $('th span:contains("Work Flow")')]

I'm going to have a go at #2 now and get back to you.

Amanda

[jbk68]

Your above solution worked for me!!!

Question for you, is there a keyword that will hide a column or actionlink based on the time stamp (_ts) ?

It would be nice if I could hide an actionlink based on this. We've been using Knack's scheduled task system and as you may or may not know, they are, putting it nicely, very unreliable and when they do work, sometimes a simple task will take upwards of 4 hours to complete and this is only updating a table with less than 800 records. I can manually do this update in less than 2-3 minutes in most cases. Sure would be nice if there was some how to reference current time (timestamp) to hide/show a column or actionlink.

Thank again for your help... JON

[amandajane-mo]

There's currently no keyword for this, you'd need to have the timestamp as field somewhere and reference that in your _hc. Is it that you'd like to hide the column on certain days or at certain times of day?

[amandajane-mo]

Hi Jon,

I've managed to hide a column in a grid based on value in a details view, using:

_hc=[Trigger an action], [ktlCond, field_100, is, Amanda Mower]

Field 100 in this case is a user name, if the name is Amanda Mower the Trigger an action column is hidden. Does this help?

Amanda

[jbk68]

Hey Amanda, thanks again for your reply... I forgot to mention that this is a field on a details view.

I tried you suggestion and didn't work. I can get data in tables to change colors but for some reason this details' view field won't change color. As I initially mentioned, I can get the field to highlight yellow and flash just can't get the font to change color.

Thanks again... JON

[cortexrd]

Hi guys,

First, I want to say a big "thank you" to Amanda for your great collaboration. I wish I could spend more time here to help, but I'm on a big and rush project with Morbern right now.

Jon, I suspect that some other CSS style has precedence on that field and causes the _cfv background color to fail due to its lower priority. 1. Can you try on another Details view to see what happens?
2. If you can send us a link to dummy page where this occurs, it would help a lot.

Also, it would be appropriate to start a new conversation or create a new an issue - if you don't mind.
Piling up threads after threads here is becoming hard to manage. It's better to have something opened, then closed instead of all different subjects mixed up together.

Cheers,
Norm

[jbk68]

Hey Norm and Amanda, I figured out the issue. For that field in the details view, I have Knack's styles set to "H2" and "Bold" and soon as I removed both of these settings, works as expected. Any and all help with your _styles keyword to get the style back to H2 and Bold that will work with _cfv, is greatly appreciated.

Just a fyi, Amanda has been very, very helpful and I really appreciate it... JON

[cortexrd]

Jon,

I tried setting _cfv to flash a Details view field as you said, and all works as expected in my case: bold red text on yellow bkgnd, flashing, even with H2 and Bold settings in the Builder.

I'd need more details on your page layout and keywords (screen grab maybe)

And using _style to bring H2 Bold back is not a good idea. I prefer to fix the KTL code instead so it works properly. It's probably just a use case I missed.

@CSWinnall Amanda: You are great indeed :) Actually, you and Craig are now on the recipients list of KTL's Sponsorship, if you're interested in monetizing your time and contributions. You guys are among the very few that I know who literally use EVERY single feature, even the most advanced of the KTL like the powerful Local Dev mode. You deserve it, congrstulations.

[CSWinnall]

Hi @cortexrd

Thank you very much we will endeavor to earn it.

C & A

[Greenlight88]

Hi Norm,

I have an idea for a keyword that I would find very useful personally - _sos Submit on Submit in the same vein as your _rvs and _rvr keywords but this will submit more than one form at once

You could only apply this to one of the forms a master form if you like otherwise it would be an infinite loop

To assist with this it would be wonderful if the other submit buttons were hidden

This feature would enable a user to enter data across multiple forms and submit all at once

[cortexrd]

And what would be the advantage of having multiple forms vs just a single but larger one?

[CSWinnall]

The advantage would be, to be able to submit fields from multiple objects at once. We have done this before but it posed too many issues especially when fields are required. You would have to wait for all submits to be approved by Knack before the submit to happen. i.e no errors.

This is one area we really struggled with when we started with knack, not being able to add fields from multiple objects like you can in sql. This is a downside to their connections which allow no coders to work, I think.

It would be very tricky to handle this. A lot of variables especially with connections like which form submits first? Is the connection already there or are you adding the connection when you submit. Knack just isn't set up for this kind of form yet.

It's a good idea but tricky in practice with knack set up the way it is, but Norm may prove me wrong and he has done so many times before

Craig

[Greenlight88]

I can appreciate the difficulties in back end without knowing too much about it - It might be a particular use case for us but we have a table 'Enquiries' and another 'Notes' connected to the Enquiries where our staff can note any progress - we did originally have a notes field on the same form as Enquiries and inserted the note on submission to a connected table but this created problems with duplicating notes - I just couldn'tget the Note field to clear after submission (but only following a note creation) it would delete the note field first then create a blank note - to work around the isue we created two side by side forms - Update Enquiry and Create Note - only problem now is sometimes a staff will forget to hit one of the buttons and exit, losing updated information or losing a note

For other use cases out there it might be advantageous to submit forms directly to multiple tables for other reasons, rather than say creating the fields in one table and updating the other tables on submission and for similar reasons - the data in your main table will still be there on an update which might have been already updated through another avenue on your other tables creating conflicting data sets or unintended substitutions or duplications

Theres also the advantage of not having to update multiple tables when you wanted to change the nature of a field or add additional fields or display rules etc

I'm not married to it and for me I can probably see a good work around when I find time via Make.

[LeighBerrell]

Yep I could see some good uses for this as well.

[Greenlight88]

Suggestion for keyword _dyn

Provides a means to set titles to views dynamically based on fields and allowing for construction of view titles from different elements

One use case could be to present summary data in the title '30 x Wisconsin Stores'

Additionally dynamic fields could be applied to descriptions, button text or Action link text

I wouldnt want this level but column titles and field labels could also be dynamic

Because of the way ktl is set up, changing field labels and column headers or view titles could trigger other ktl actions

Its wheels within wheels

[kukuk52]

How about a field-based keyword that would flag duplicate values? It may be interesting to expand this idea and flag potential errors that may occur in specific fields (ie: emails that don't have the proper formatting, phone numbers, etc)

[Greenlight88]

Requested Enhancement for _ro

Hey Norm, would love to be able to use _ro dependent on another field

I think there would be many use cases for this it would create a dynamic filtered list,

my use case for example

limit the Investigators that can be assigned to a Project based on the Investigators Permissions and the Projects Booking Code

So Investigators that had not been signed off for a Mould Investigation could not be assigned to a Mould Investigation Project

I guess Im asking for support for ktlCond and ktlRefval in _ro

[CSWinnall]

Hi @Greenlight88

_ro already supports ktlCond.

Craig

[Greenlight88]

So it does, how did I miss that - thanks Craig

[kukuk52]

It would be great if a user could run a task (or series of tasks) from the user interface. A _runtsk keyword could be really useful/powerful.

[cortexrd]

I tried that a while ago, but it seems to be impossible. Also, the fact that Knack won't let you run tasks on an hourly granularity tells me that they try to avoid overloading the servers.

But I will ask the advanced developers to see if they have a hidden secret.

Norm

[kukuk52]

Thanks, Norm.

[kukuk52]

That's awesome! Thank you!

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[cortexrd]

Dan, I've made a new Beta release, with several bug fixes.
Do Ctrl+F5 to fetch the latest code.

Norm

[kukuk52]

Would it be possible to use the KTL's Keyword Options to trigger a customized URL redirect when a form is submitted?

[CSWinnall]

Hi Dan Could you explain how this would be different from Knack's own submit rule redirect to URL? Craig

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[kukuk52]

Hey Craig, In our case, we have a form that is set up by local administrators and is customized on the front-end using the KTL. There may eventually be over 100 unique forms set up and would need to redirect to over 100 different URLs. We could potentially use Knack's submit rules for this but writing that many different rules would be daunting and would require me to do it on the back-end. With this option, the front-end administrators could determine where their specific form redirects by setting that in a field. It would also allow those users to change the URL whenever they wanted without editing the form rules.

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[CSWinnall]

Thanks for explaining that makes sense now.

[Greenlight88]

This is more of an enhancement maybe but it would be amazing if Rich text fields when presented in a grid view woudl support some sort of wrap-text feature - at the moment without line breaks text just dissappears off the edge...

It may be that Im missing something with knack settings or such - seems it should operate this way already - please let me know @anyone if Im missing something here

[Greenlight88]

Just wanted to know about how geofencing might be progressing? I have a really good commercial application in mind... Even a simple radial one could be quite useful

[Greenlight88]

_trk Enhancement

It would be great if this feature could support Rich Text Fields

[LeighBerrell]

Would it be possible to get a keyword to remove/hide the row count shown at the top of a grid, i.e. the "Showing 1-2 of 2" below ...

I tried: _style=[display:none], [ktlTarget, $('th span:contains("Showing")')] but that doesn't appear to work

[cortexrd]

Try adding this to your view:

_cls=[ktlDisplayNone], [ktlTarget, $(#${viewId} .kn-entries-summary)]

Norm

[LeighBerrell]

That seems hides the whole view, not just that text.
No issue, I just did it with some javascript which either hides the whole view if there are no rows, or hides that text if there are. Seems to work.

$(document).on('knack-view-render.view_34', function (event, view, data) {
$(".kn-td-nodata").parents(".kn-view").hide();
$(".kn-records-nav").hide();
});

[cortexrd]

It's because my post has been stripped of the important backticks characters.

Here's a version using plain single quotes, that work just as well:

_cls=[ktlDisplayNone], [ktlTarget, $('#${viewId} .kn-entries-summary')]

I will see what I can do to support hiding empty views, as this has been asked a few times already. Should be easy.

Norm

[Greenlight88]

I have a couple of requests for pivot tables which I'm sure others would love

1. It would be great to be able to present a transposed table - ie columns are now rows and rows are now columns - this would allow us to present a horizontal table to cover off a number of categories while preserving knack calculation magic

Eg my use case - to present the status of enquiries in different categories (eg Won, Pending, Actions, Data Issues ..) and then present rows like

Today (No,)
Today (Value)
This Week (No,
This Week (Value)

Now you can achieve something like this with a lot of work in native knack - but - any time you want to adjust anything theres issues - eg knack doesn't allow you to reorder columns

But knacks native functions achieve this easily if you're happy with a vertically presented table - and if we could just transpose it, it would take up a lot less real estate -

2. There is no custom sorting of options in pivot tables - just A-Z or Z-A you can work around by putting a number in front of each category (eg in my example 1. Won 2. Pending etc) - but, well - this is not elegant
   For a transposed table however you just move the options around in the field - easy peasy

Alternatively - if someone knows some javascript magic and feels like sharing , please lay it on me

4. I haven't tried this out much but wondering if the _cfv supports pivot tables?

As to the keyword for all this... I don't know - _piv?

[topdog-BigDogWerks]

So, it's not what you asked for, but another way you might be able to handle that is with SUM fields filtered to Today and This Week. And display those in a Detail View. Then you have quite a bit of control over order and placement, etc.
Note, those calculation fields (SUM, AVG, MAX, etc.) can slow things down, but it might provide the flexibility you are looking for.

Does that make sense?