When support for Firefox Quantum? #270
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@nmaier is working on a new version right now. But like many open source developers, Nils' work on dta is unpaid. You might consider a donation or become a patron of Nils' work. |
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Should be closed as duplicate of issue #240. |
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@EMBBlaster Issue #240 is not the same as this. They may be related. DTA is completely disabled in FF Quantum and v57, however #240 suggests that the add-in is not disabled, but just doesn't work. However, this issue is a duplicate of #269. |
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@ericis I'm not sure. |
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I have used Downthemall for a decade now and I hadn't felt the void before. Today I contributed on Patreon. It is nothing for the amount of work they do and I help all other developers make a Patreon so we can support them. |
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I was only keeping firefox becuase of this plugin. Please bring it to quantum |
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I really hate to post this here (question/comments to the devs) but as others have said, even if its a really rough work-in-progress version that is not really done, others may be willing to take a look at the code and submit PRs to get stuff done so its 'not all on you". We all GREATLY appreciate the hard work you have done and continue to do, on such a great (a must have for me) addon. This may be a repeat question but as someone who is open to use different browsers .... would it be easier (noting I have no idea where dta lite is development wise) to NOT work in the box of the new Firefox API but rather to port things to Chrome? ... (I mean redo the addon from scratch where it word work in a SERIES of browsers, such as Chromium, Google Chrome, Vivaldi, and even if you need the "google chrome addons er .. addon" for it .. Opera too. It may be more work out of the gate, but it may prevent a "oh crap Mozilla changed the API again" issue down the line, say they decide to do that to addon devs. just a thought ... and again sorry for posting "chit-chat" here ... didn't see a forum or something like that to post this in, or i would have put this post there |
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Hi @Xmetalfanx
I also would be prepared to put shoulder to wheel to assist, if given the opportunity.
Mozilla's new API is based on Chrome's. This in part, is the crux of the problem for dta because Chrome's API is substantially limited compared to Firefox's old API. In any event, writing dta for Firefox will for the most part, make it easy to publish for Chrome-like browsers as well. Mozilla have promised to build upon and extend Chrome's API to do more. But it's very difficult to see how Mozilla is doing this, and how their API diverges from Chrome's. The download API in my mind is a clear area where Mozilla could extend the functionality further, and perhaps loosen the 'security' apron a little. Damo. |
You can install Waterfox. It will keep supporting full extensions. |
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I also would be interested in at least attempting to make a code contribution. ;) |
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I would also contribute. I already ported another addon that I will not part with, gtranslate, to WebExtension. |
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It's been almost three months since the last blog post, and there haven't been any commits pushed to this repository, either. @nmaier, can you comment to let us know where things stand and/or push your latest work? |
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I dont see no more information about downthemall, evolve i imagine that mozilla foundantion fullfill his objectives to kill downthemall, my only question is, have some chance to migrate to a new browser, like, opera, chrome, internet explores??? |
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I still prefer FF over other browsers since FF Quantum. |
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Here is some information of DownThemAll Lite https://www.patreon.com/posts/downthemall-18089324 DownThemAll Lite is a new extension from zero, to support the new WebExtensions APIs of new Mozilla Firefox.
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@julian-alarcon thanks for that information! |
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Maybe you should actually just ditch Firefox Quantum, and go with Basilisk instead. Looks promising. |
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Basilisk will be PaleMoon v28 which will be released at the end of this year or 2019 |
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If you have 64bit ... really there is no point for me to use this OTHER than THE SUPPORT for addons pre-Firefox 57 .... but ... Waterfox is a good option .... IIRC it doesn't have alot of that extra crud (I say that loosely/half joking) that Mozilla has been adding on to Firefox too ... I looked at it after a few years of not using it and i was "oh ...that and that ... and this other thing too ... that's handy" ... it's here on github too https://github.com/MrAlex94/Waterfox ... I can't 100% speak for how to date with Mozilla security fixes it is ... not saying anything one way or the other until i have more info |
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^ for some of the stuff it doesn't include that Firefox has from Mozilla .. just look down at the README, btw |
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I hope to see a downloader addon soon. All the webextesions ones suck. I don't know why the downloader category was so forgotten among the webestsions. |
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I'm disappointed as well with the effect of Mozilla's choice to deprecate XUL extensions, but I'm not sure I want to entrust my online activity with a fork like Waterfox, Pale Moon, etc. I would think there would be too much going on with web security and evolving standards for anyone but a medium to large sized and well-funded group of developers to keep up with, even if it is just backporting fixes. |
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I've used DTA and DTA anti-container since forever. I'd use even unstable versions if available. There is no other download option for Quantum. Only crap. What are the technical reasons it is so hard to develop? How could we contribute? If there was a list of requests to Mozilla related to missing API for this great piece, I would have added my voice there. Could anybody point me to such reports? |
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@msdobrescu Quantum requires old extensions to be essentially completely rewritten. If their UI was using XUL it has to be redone in HTML. The Javascript APIs that old extensions used were all deprecated, and the WebExtension APIs only provide a (growing, thankfully) subset of the functionality. |
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@marczellm I know. My question is what is needed to be added to the new API, where are the requests for it, could we vote for them somewhere? |
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Hi @msdobrescu , I guess there are 2 main issues related to the still missing APIs on WebExtensions:
There is no a website like uservoice or similar to vote up for features in Mozilla, but you can participate in WebExtensions meetings using their communications channels: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebExtensions#Communication_and_meetings |
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Well, this is disappointing. I see basic features missing. I understand the risks, still... Firefox might become extinct due to this. But. excuse me to be off-topic, I see WE that are able to alter pages DOM that proves to be more dangerous, and also annoying for web developers. A question arises, again, my apologies if I'm off-topic, but why not thinking of implementing an extension to grab multiple links as DTA does, and sending them to Firefox' download feature? It would be so useful as now we have to go back in years by clicking on each link, save as etc.? |
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I agree with you, i go where the programmer of downthemall decides to
contnue etih his project, if is chrome, opera, edge
(yeargh), or waterfox, i only use firefox because of downthemall, no other
reason....is not better is not fast and actually is not so funcionality
than the older versions....
i know that a lot of people disagree but sincerely firefox was suppoted
for developers a long time and when migrate to quantum they throw the
colaboration to waste wihtout no consideration.
…On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:26 PM Albert Viudes Dick ***@***.***> wrote:
I dont think Downgrading Firefox version for one addon (as much as I love
it) is a great idea .... now having say Firefox 57+ AND browser .. say
Waterfox for example that still supports the older addons ... that is a
different story
That's why I still use Firefox 56.0.2. When something gone wrong, I use
Chrome as an alternative.
For me, without DownThemAll! or some download manager like that, with file
split in various connections and checksum verify, I would do better to
migrate to Chrome definitely.
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I'm not quite that detached from Firefox for several reasons:
Drop by MDN and take a look at the various API extensions which were created for Firefox, that Google has made no promise to support. Sure, there are some Chrome APIs that Firefox doesn't support yet, like onDeterminingFilename... but that "yet" is the key. Mozilla has to work with limited manpower and refactor deep design mistakes, but they're the "Internet Explorer 6" in the phrase "Netscape and Microsoft were both extending HTML willy-nilly, but Internet Explorer 6 was better at supporting both their own extensions and their competitor's." |
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Mozilla Corporation is pretty much a profit corporation with revenue of over $0,5 billion. just for a side note |
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True, but it's also a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. As Wikipedia puts it, "The subsidiary is 100% owned by the parent, and therefore follows the same non-profit principles." |
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It is not follows the same principles) Corporation was made to make money on Firefox and other businesses. |
How do you know the corporation doesn't follow the same principles as the foundation? Do you have evidence to substantiate this?
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Publicly-traded corporations do have a fiduciary duty to maximize profit, no matter what the externalities (the whole point of a healthy system of regulation is to keep companies from pushing costs off into externalities), but what privately-owned companies do is entirely up to their owners. That's why the "wholly owned taxable subsidiary" part is so important. EDIT: @rodrigost23 I'd intended this to be my final off-topic response. |
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Is this issue really the place for this discussion? I'm following this
thread only to receive an eventual update to the add-on supporting quantum,
and I think this is getting off-topic.
Em qui, 27 de set de 2018 01:15, Stephan Sokolow <[email protected]>
escreveu:
… Publicly-traded corporations *do* have a fiduciary duty to maximize
profit, no matter what the externalities (the whole point of a healthy
system of regulation is to keep companies from pushing costs off into
externalities), but what privately-owned companies do is entirely up to
their owners. That's why the "wholly owned taxable subsidiary" part is so
important.
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I was just about to say this is getting way off topic ... and also this is why I suggested a mod/op/whatever consider merging a number of these "This doesn't work on Firefox 57 anymore :( " issues to consoliate things |
@GianniGi - You can support Nils, here: |
Is that a joke? support him for what? he isnt doing anything!!. The last update was in december 2017 and he claimed to have a build then and yet its nearly the end of 2018 and we still dont have anything and you mugs are giving him $327 a month! Plums!!! At this point it is pretty obvious that he either isnt working on the plugin anymore or doesnt have the coding skill needed to make it work on firefox quantum. |
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@MrXT21 - He's posted some updates to his Patreon page this year about some of the bugs he's found in the WebExtension API and other issues that have forced him to throw out the old download code and start from scratch. For the years of use, I'm OK with $5 a month for 6 months or so. If nothing then, I'll stop my donations. |
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Try my extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-links/ |
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@praboop Is it possible to add "multi-part download"? |
Thanks |
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@hyuce Yes. That would be done sometime in future.
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I'm still shocked that in 2019 having something as basic as a multi-part download addon isn't possible anymore. Hell we had software in the 90's like Getright or DAP which achieved the very same thing. and now, over 20 years later, this is too hard to implement? I'm still using Firefox 56 as a result, that's how things are. My everyday browsing is Chrome, but whenever I need DtA features then I switch to FF56. |
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@Antipika It is strange why it is not yet a part of browser itself. At least why not under about:config? )) |
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Nothing equal downthemall but now firefox have an addon that try to imitate
its the solution for now its valled multithread download manager.
remember i told thats not equal downthemall but is something to help...
…On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:34 PM Antipika ***@***.***> wrote:
I'm still shocked that in 2019 having something as basic as a multi-part
download addon isn't possible anymore. Hell we had software in the 90's
like Getright or DAP which achieved the very same thing. and now, over 20
years later, this is too hard to implement?
I'm still using Firefox 56 as a result, that's how things are. My everyday
browsing is Chrome, but whenever I need DtA features then I switch to FF56.
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I skimmed the issue and didn't see someone suggested this, you can download latest FF ESR Portable from link below and install downthemall and noscript in it and use it as a download manager + basic browser for download stuff link: https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/legacy the most powerfull thing about downthemall was its integerating deeply with browser so it could also download most links that external download managers coudn't, and AFAIK there is no such support in webextension api so i can understand why its developer don't wan't to publish it yet and ruin its great history. Also note that the old version of FF that i suggested may not be secure anymore so do what you know about hardening it with disabling javascript and such (with noscript, ublock origin, etc) Also the FF forks may not be as secure as FF itself because i think developing a secure browser require great manpower and because now the FF forks should develop the old engine theirs, they may can't keep up with growing exploits and ... |
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multithreaded-download-manager/ |
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download star seems nicer https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-star/ |
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Actually all the new alternatives are useless. They can't parse all the files, I've tried that in many occasions, they are unable to handle sourceforge and alike, meta downloads like in LibreOffice mirroring and so on. |
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@mihai: Can you elaborate what exactly you are not able to download from
these sites?
…On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 21:19, Mihai Sorin Dobrescu ***@***.***> wrote:
Actually all the new alternatives are useless. They can't parse all the
files, I've tried that in many occasions, they are unable to handle
sourceforge and alike, meta downloads like in LibreOffice mirroring and so
on.
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For a start, go to any sourceforge project, in the files section, try to download. It misses the files or can't handle de mirrors. Same for LibreOffice. I should be able to select a section of the page and parse it. As DTA did. It is not possible or doesn't work. As a "bonus", often, the new addons don't have any control on their window, so can't be used. And so on. Just try to use them, you'll see. |
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This is outstanding news! |
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great news ... I have found and alternative I have been using but will be willing to use again/test this too :) |
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latest downthemall version - windows7 64 - firefox quantum v57
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Downthemall not work
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