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MINIMUM_ZONE_VOLUME sets some wall temperatures to ambient temperature #13469

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IFAB-AS opened this issue Sep 24, 2024 · 7 comments
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MINIMUM_ZONE_VOLUME sets some wall temperatures to ambient temperature #13469

IFAB-AS opened this issue Sep 24, 2024 · 7 comments
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IFAB-AS commented Sep 24, 2024

Hello,
we have a bus model with PRESSURE ZONES. In this model (and many others in the last years) we used the MINIMUM_ZONE_VOLUME feature to get around filling each zone individually.
To my knowledge, this features uses the surrounding materials to fill in the void spaces. My simplified bus has basically three materials (aluminium and two combustible materials), each of them will heat up individually if exposed to heat. If I use the MINIMUM_ZONE_VOLUME, some of the walls will stay at the ambient temperature (20 °C) as can be seen in this image:

Ceiling of the bus:
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Temperatures at the ceiling after 300 s:
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(Tested with FDS 6.9.1)

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IFAB-AS commented Sep 24, 2024

Some simplified fds file for this:
Test_bus_part.txt

Additional Explanation:
Th combustibles are reacting in specified ranges using the pyrolysis model. As we do not want them to react at ambient temperature, there are some dummy materials included which react at 100 °C to the real materials. (There is no threshold_termpature anymore for this).

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I need a simplified case to diagnose the problem. The filling algorithm blocks the interior cells that make up the ZONE. It should not reassign a boundary condition for the exterior of the ZONE.

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IFAB-AS commented Sep 24, 2024

In my 2nd post there is a simplified fds file for the roof of the bus, or do you need an even simpler file? The image in the first post shows the wall temperatures with no transparency, if I allow some transparency I can see heat up the material at the same positions as the ambient materials. So FDS creates two blocks there, one for a material that heats up and one that stays at ambient temperature.

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I'll take a look.

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This is what I see

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IFAB-AS commented Sep 26, 2024

Smokeview does look correct. The issue might not be with FDS/Smokeview but with the Pyrosim Results view than. I will send the example to Thunderhead.

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bwklein commented Sep 26, 2024

We are taking a look at this issue in our Results Viewer.

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