SSC meeting minutes 2024

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2023 meeting minutes

Links to individual days in 2024

Monday, Jan 8, 2024
Monday, Jan 15, 2024
Monday, Jan 22, 2024
Monday 29 Jan 2024
Monday Feb 5, 2024
Monday Feb 12, 2024
Monday Feb 19, 2024
Monday Feb 26, 2024
Monday Mar 4, 2024
Monday Mar 11, 2024
Monday Mar 25, 2024
Monday, Apr 1, 2024
Monday, Apr 15, 2024
Monday, Apr 22, 2024
Monday, Apr 29, 2024
Monday, May 6, 2024
Monday, May 13, 2024

Original source

The original source for comments on this issue is a Google Doc. The procedure used to copy the information from the Google Doc to this GitHub issue was:

1. Save in .docx format
2. Convert to markdown using pandoc:

   pandoc -o minutes.md minutes.docx
   

3. Open the markdown file in a code editor and manually copy-paste into the GitHub comment form, removing empty sections and bullet points.

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Monday, Jan 8, 2024

The meeting was canceled due to the high number of participants not able to join.

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Monday, Jan 15, 2024

Attendees

• Sylvain Corlay, Voilà
• Frederic Collonval, JupyterLab
• Gabriel Fouasnon, Jupyter Accessibility
• Johan Mabille, Kernels

Agenda and minutes

• Johan: JDC

  • Johan is looking for volunteers to run JDC elections.

  • Mike: We should announce it on other channels than the JDC mailing list because it was labeled as spam.

  • Mike: posted on discourse with a hidden category for JDC.https://discourse.jupyter.org/t/2023-jupyter-distinguished-contributors-election-shepherds/23426

    We should check with Chris Holdgraf on who sees these messages.

• Gabriel: This is a JupyterLab team council issue but I’m curious to discuss: Move jupyter-ui-toolkit in the JupyterLab organization (#227)?

  • Frédéric: I should push for the council to conclude the vote.
  • Sylvain: questions about deprecated bits that were deprecated.
  • Frederic: The package of components that got deprecated has a revival in the following repository: https://github.com/Adaptive-Web-Community/Adaptive-Web-Components
    The current issue is that the new version is based on a pre-release of the FAST meta package. So I did not switch to that package.
  • Question by Mike about the License and implication of vendoring the package. It is MIT-licensed; the license was copied and the reference to the origin was added to the repository.

• Ian: JEP on Subshell

  • Question from Mike: is one implementation option easier for kernels to adopt? (We Have 1 JupyterLab and 100s of kernels)
    1. Single thread for all messages, kernel with multiple threads. Easier to implement in kernel, and JupyterLab. Small amount of work for Ian, but requires more work for consumers.
    2. Multiple threads to multiple websockets. More work for implementer, less work for consumer.

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Monday, Jan 22, 2024

Attendees

• Gabriel Fouasnon, Jupyter Accessibility
• Johan Mabille, Kernels
• Zach Sailer, Server,
• Itay Dafna, Netflix, Widgets

Decisions made

• None

Action items

• Vote on the merging of JupyterLab and Notebook: Merge Lab and Notebook Subprojects governance#200

Agenda and minutes

• schema.jupyter.org
  • Requirements for this repo mentioned previously (may not be an exhaustive list)
• Merging of JupyterLab and Notebook

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Monday 29 Jan 2024

Attendees

• Itay Dafna, Widgets, Netflix

• Johan Mabille, Kernels

• Gabriel Fouasnon, Accessibility

• Frederic Collonval, JupyterLab, WebScIT

Agenda and minutes

• Discussed
  Add JEP for sub-shells enhancement-proposals#91

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Monday Feb 5, 2024

Attendees

• Zach Sailer | Apple | Server

• Gabriel Fouasnon, Jupyter Accessibility

• Johan Mabille | QuantStack | Kernels

• Ian Thomas | QuantStack

Agenda and minutes

• schema.jupyter.org update

  • Add first set of schemas and a simple Python package for distributing schemas schema#1

  • Looking to get some eyes on this work

  • Zach will take another pass at this PR, but would love some review in the meantime.

    1. Johan will help review and merge.
    2. Keep this small and iterate

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Monday Feb 12, 2024

Attendees

• Zach Sailer | Apple | Server

• Ian Thomas | QuantStack

• Itay Dafna | Netflix | Widgets

• David Qui | AWS

• Rick Wagner | SDSC

Agenda and minutes

• Establish security manager groups for Jupyter GitHub orgs

  • The problem today is that it isn't always clear if the
    maintainers for subprojects are tracking the issues raised on
    the security. Further, the security subproject team doesn't have
    permission to raise security vulnerabilities on every
    subproject. It requires a lot of work for the team to

  • Related to vulnerability handling process

    • Security repo issue #73

  • Rick and David are planning to write a process proposal for
    vulnerability handling. This would create a common way that
    all subprojects handle security issues that's clear for the
    community and easiest for the maintainers.

  • Once ready, someone from the SSC will champion this around the
    SSC to get buyin.

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Monday Feb 19, 2024

No meeting due to low attendence

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Monday Feb 26, 2024

Attendees

• Zach Sailer | Apple | Server

• Johan Mabille | QuantStack | Kernels

• Sylvain Corlay | QuantStack | Widgets

• Gabriel Fouasnon |

• Ian Thomas | QuantStack | N/A

Decisions made

• Jupyter Schema: We moved the Github Pages pointer to a new "stable" branch.
  This allows us to merge and iterate ongoing work without having it
  deployed to the public, canonical URL.

  • stable branch = published to schema.jupyter.org

  • main branch = latest, ongoing work

Agenda and minutes

• (Gabriel) Question I would like us to end the meeting with: what do
  we need to communicate right now (if anything) with people outside
  this meeting?

  • For example, we have two major efforts that folks in this call
    have been pursuing, 1) subshell JEP and 2) schema repo
    bootstrapping.

  • Do the people that need to know about these things know about
    them?

  • How are we communicating today?

  • For these two specific efforts, we've pinged the "stakeholders"
    we identified for each. The hope would be to advertise

• Rest of meeting was working session on
  https://github.com/jupyter/schema

  • We merged PR Supporting text-based diagrams in Jupyter clients #1

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Monday Mar 4, 2024

Attendees

• Zach Sailer | Apple | Server

• Johan Mabille | QuantStack | Kernels

Action items

• Email EC about the Website Re-design:
  New Jupyter.org Website Design enhancement-proposals#49

Agenda and minutes

• Triaging old JEPs

  • Use a generic message to trigger a "time to close"

  • "We're working through old JEPs and closing proposals that are
    no longer active or may not be relevant anymore. Under
    Jupyter's new governance model, we have an active Software
    Steering Council who reviews JEPs weekly. We are catching up on
    the backlog now. Since there has been no active discussion on
    this JEP in awhile, I'd propose we close it here (we'll leave
    it open for two more weeks in case you'd like to revive the
    conversation). If you would like to re-open the discussion after
    we close it, you are welcome to do that too."

  • Commented on:

    • A new notebook document format for improved workflow integration enhancement-proposals#4
    • [proposal] Jupyter Extension Generator enhancement-proposals#7
    • Kernel nanny proposal enhancement-proposals#14
    • Localizing Notebooks - continued enhancement-proposals#16
    • Add Template as Metatada enhancement proposal enhancement-proposals#23
    • Simplify protocol for reporting execution errors enhancement-proposals#24
    • Jupyter Flowchart Notebook enhancement-proposals#50

• Emailed the EC and SSC about the website re-design JEP

  • New Jupyter.org Website Design enhancement-proposals#49

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Monday Mar 11, 2024

Attendees

• Gabriel Fouasnon | Quansight Labs | Jupyter Accessibility

• Zach Sailer | Apple | Server

• Johan Mabille | QuantStack | Kernels

• Sylvain

• Martin

• Darian

Decisions made

• None

Action items

• Darian to circle back to EC with questions raised in today's meeting

Agenda and minutes

• Recap of last week. Triaged old JEPs, closing with a note. But kept
  one open,
  #49
  about a new Jupyter.org website design

  • #49 has a lot of valuable research - was done by university
    design students who didn't already know what Jupyter was - so it
    has a valuable outside perspective

• jupyter/governance Discussion of Linux Foundation Proposal
  #204

  • We were confused by where the assets go... the c3 or the c6?

    i. c3 doesn't take assets normally?

  • Darian will clarify this with EC.

• [Gabriel] Question: hard deadlines ahead of us?

  • This issue is highest priority after new reps on EC and SSC are
    seated

  • Time frame seems like it will be a few months rather than a few
    weeks

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Monday Mar 25, 2024

Attendees

• Jeremy

• Sylvain

• Darian

Agenda

Nobody else joined the call in the first 15 min - and we decided to
table it.

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Monday, Apr 1, 2024

Attendees

• Zach Sailer

• Gabriel Fouasnon

Action items

• Gabriel to leave comment on #119

Agenda and minutes

• Reviewed Pre-proposal: websocket token authentication with
  subprotocols
  #119

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Monday, Apr 15, 2024

Attendees

• Gabriel Fouasnon, Jupyter Accessibility

• Zach Sailer, just observing

• Johan Mabille, Kernels

• Piyush Jain, just observing

Decisions made

• 119 should be go from pre-proposal to JEP

Action items

• Call for a vote 105 and 106

Agenda and minutes

• Darian asks if anybody has any lingering questions (re: Linux
  Foundation).

• Discussion about
  #119,
  one concern is a possible size limitation on the header that could
  be incompatible with the authentication token size (the auth token
  can grow indefinitely)

• #105
  and
  #106
  should be moved to the voting phase.

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Monday, Apr 22, 2024

Attendees

• Jeremy Tuloup, Jupyter Frontends

• Martin, Voilà

• Darian, EC

Agenda and minutes

• Discussions on the Linux Foundation proposal

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Monday, Apr 29, 2024

No meeting because no attendees

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Monday, May 6, 2024

Attendees

• Jeremy Tuloup, Jupyter Frontends

• Gabriel Fouasnon, Accessibility

• Sylvain, widgets

Action items

• Gabriel to update SSC meeting minutes (last update Dec 4, 2023)

• Sylvain to update SSC team compass list

• Gabriel to email SSC to ask for input on #87 and #122

• Sylvain to add comment on #122

Agenda and minutes

• [Gabriel] Let's take a few minutes to review the following JEP?
  Darian brought this up on April 29. (He said he has a colleague or
  knows someone interested in picking it up?) Parameterized kernel specs proposal #87

  • From discussion today: a prototype is being developed. Folks at
    QuantStack would like to see if there is a general good
    sentiment on 87 to warrant continued work on the prototype.

• [Jeremy] For awareness, pre-proposal to incorporate jupyter-book
  as a Jupyter sub-project:
  Pre-proposal: Incorporate jupyter-book as a Jupyter sub-project enhancement-proposals#122

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Monday, May 13, 2024

Attendees

• Gabriel

• Martin

• Johan

• Darian

Action items

• Gabriel to ask Zach if he can change the Zoom room

• Johan: Send an email to the SSC mailing list for a potential private
  vote

• Johan: open votes for #105 and #106

Agenda and minutes

• Can we use/update this SSC project
  board?

• Can we change the Zoom room for this meeting to the main Jovyan
  room? Who can edit the calendar event?

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