Thanks for reporting this @kenafoster

The issue will need to be moved to Nebari. Fetching from conda-store API happens on Nebari.

Currently pagination is not used at all: https://github.com/nebari-dev/nebari/blob/f2f5a5b67a7e8eccacf1a8b2d77f03a9441ea26b[…]s/kubernetes/services/jupyterhub/files/jupyterhub/02-spawner.py

For anyone picking this one, we just need to add:

/conda-store/api/v1/environment/?page=1&size=100

here:

and then iterate over all the pages until it runs out of all the pages.

Is this endpoint documented somewhere? conda-store API reference does not seem to mention it: https://conda.store/conda-store/references/api

A native pagination may be sub-optimal if users are adding environments while pages are being fetched, unless the list is guaranteed to be ordered in the order of environment creation in which case it is safe.

Is this endpoint documented somewhere? conda-store API reference does not seem to mention it: conda.store/conda-store/references/api

I didn't saw it in the docs. Docs are mostly incomplete. I saw pagination API in the code:

• https://github.com/conda-incubator/conda-store/blob/1df30a2132228d9ac40ed7230e01c5b625d8e7c8/conda-store-server/conda_store_server/_internal/server/views/api.py#L631
• https://github.com/conda-incubator/conda-store/blob/1df30a2132228d9ac40ed7230e01c5b625d8e7c8/conda-store-server/conda_store_server/_internal/server/views/api.py#L82

A native pagination may be sub-optimal if users are adding environments while pages are being fetched, unless the list is guaranteed to be ordered in the order of environment creation in which case it is safe.

The results are sorted by namespace and name.

I don't think I follow you here though. The user could say on the page for 5 minutes and 100 environments could be created in that time theoretically by other users, but when the user is at that page, they already know which environment they are looking for and that should have already been created before they come on that page (Create App page).

The results are sorted by namespace and name.

I don't think I follow you here though.

Say we have five environments A, B, D, E, F, and page size equals 2.
User performs two actions:

• requested creating environment called "C", and then
• opens the form in the other page

If the database commit happens after the second page is fetched, this could lead to the form getting replies:

• A, B - first page (ok)
• D, E - second page (ok at the time)
• E, F - third page - oops!

If many users are creating environments, the admin would be randomly missing some environments.

If the results were sorted by date of environment was created (/last modified if environments can be renamed), then this is not a problem, because the replies could be (assuming A, B, D, E, F were created in this order):

• A, B
• D, E
• F, C

Does it make sense?

Does it make sense?

Thanks for the explanation, yes it does makes sense, but in this case it's not a problem as we're not planning to do pagination in the frontend yet. The current plan is to fetch all the pages here and return all of them in a single call in this UI:

Pagination in the frontend would require design and backend support, which we're not ready for at the moment.
In the race condition of an environment not showing up yet (while it's being committed to db or still building), we do expect the user to know the environment needs to be built completely to show up in the list and user would refresh the page to get the latest list at that point.

If there are thousands (or any large number) of environments to fetch and that causes issues with the UI component to become unusable, then we might prioritise pagination in the frontend or "pagination + search by name", but most likely not yet.

we're not planning to do pagination in the frontend yet

I did not mean pagination on the frontend. I mean that while backend is fetching the pages to concatenate them, the state may change.

The current plan is to fetch all the pages here and return all of them in a single call in this UI

The linked fragment is executed when the frontend hits the API as this function is passed down here:

and gets executed from this route via an util helper here. If you were to replace:

- c.JAppsConfig.conda_envs = get_conda_store_environments
+ c.JAppsConfig.conda_envs = get_conda_store_environments()

it would remove this problem, but then the environments would not refresh as user creates them.

Sorry, I do not mean to be an annoyance here, I just wanted to help by preventing a common pagination issue which could be very hard to debug later. Though since we already had this conversation I think that it is fine to proceed with the naive implementation with the caveat that ideally an issue on conda-forge-store would be opened asking for ability to sort by creation date to prevent this issue.

I did not mean pagination on the frontend.

Ah I see

I mean that while backend is fetching the pages to concatenate them, the state may change.

Yes, totally agree it would, but what I meant is user can always refresh the page to get the latest state at that point in the current implementation, since it's single API call.

it would remove this problem, but then the environments would not refresh as user creates them.

Yep agree.

Sorry, I do not mean to be an annoyance here,

I would not say that. :) It's an extremely useful discussion and apologies for the delayed response.

Though since we already had this conversation I think that it is fine to proceed with the naive implementation

Do we have an alternative here, without changing the conda-store API?

with the caveat that ideally an issue on conda-forge-store would be opened asking for ability to sort by creation date to prevent this issue.

Yes agreed.

Do we have an alternative here, without changing the conda-store API?

No good ideas for alternatives; fetching all environments seem to be needed universally across different components, I think that conda-store should have an officially documented and fool-proof API for it.

@krassowski can you open a conda-store issue and summarize the functionality that would be helpful here?

@krassowski can you open a conda-store issue and summarize the functionality that would be helpful here?

Done - conda-incubator/conda-store#859.