NFC compatibility with phones #209
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I have the same trouble : NFC doesn't work on solo tap USB-C |
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For me it's the OnePlus 3T Android 9.0.3 |
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I get 6f00 (generic exception) with tap version on the u2f coffe test site with android. It also is “looping” so seems to sort of crash the connection repeatedly. |
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Not working on the OnePlus 5, although it works with YubiKeys and my Solo Tap passes the FIDO test suite with an external NFC reader. |
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Alright so at least im not the only one. So this must be something. Or maybe a combination with OnePlus |
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Similar problems here on my OnePlus 3. I am able to read the solo tap using the NXP taginfo app, but only without the sleeve on. I've tried using the keys with https://u2f.bin.coffee, but I was unable to register it via NFC |
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@mrvantage what was the error on the test website? |
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I also thought that my Solo Tap's are broken, because no react with Oneplus 3. They already know that problem, because I contact them to directly. tl:dr Solo Tap NFC doesn't work with my Oneplus 3 |
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Well now there is also a GitHub issue, so more people can see |
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Same thing here, I contacted Solo on Twitter but no more answers... Got response: Tested on Samsung Galaxy A8 (SM-A530F) with Android 9 / One UI 1.0 up-to-date. Also tested on Samsung A5 2016 after NFC read, same error. The key is said to be "up-to-date" on update.solokeys.com but I also tried to force reflash it. They work as expected when plugged to a USB port, but the NFC is not. |
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So until now there were only reports regarding "OnePlus" branded smartphones. If this affects more manufacturers (or Solo Tap's), I guess there is a bigger issue,Hopefully they can fix it it the firmware. Are there any smartphones where it is confirmed working? I have a Tap, but no other NFC-capable device (yet). But maybe I can get hands on some colleague's phones... |
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A colleague told me that he paired his Solo Tap USB-A, plugged on his laptop, to his Google account (nothing new at this stage). Then, he told me that he managed to authenticate on Google, on his phone (A5 2017), using NFC (on the second try). Still, he has the same error message ( |
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Oh, some progress here... I was unable to test the same scenario since I cannot pair my Solo Tap USB-C on my laptop because I have no USB-C or adapter. However, it made me think that I did not try to combine a U2F registering through USB and an authentication through NFC on https://u2f.bin.coffee/... And it worked, on the third try... 🎉 I tried again and it never works on the first time, but still, the sign in is working at some point. However, the registering over NFC never work. Hope it helps... I guess it could be related to the maximum delay authorized for the operations on Android. Conor was taking about that during the campaign.
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But only on the Galaxy A8? |
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Don't think it's a OnePlus issue then |
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I received my Solo Tap (+USB-C) and it works in Chrome with Pixel 2XL on https://u2f.hwsecurity.dev and https://webauthn.hwsecurity.dev . We implemented workarounds for #214 and #213 and now it also works with our native SDK from https://hwsecurity.dev |
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Exactly same behaviour on u2f.hwsecurity.dev and webauthn.hwsecurity.dev: registration only possible with USB (however error code 1 or NotReadableError) and authentication works about 1 time over 3... I could accept (tolerate) the need to plug for registration but the authentication rate failure is too high. At least, the NFC field is activated for my phone, on others, there is no detection at all (these phones work perfectly fine for other NFC devices or badges). @dschuermann : Do you confirm that you can register and authenticate via NFC without failure? Can you tell which phone(s) you are using? |
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I've just done some testing on Pixel, Nexus, Samsung S9, and LG phones. I haven't tried OnePlus. It seems that a lot of LG phones simply don't support ISO 14443A, which is the NFC protocol used by Tap. The LG phone I used wasn't able to read the NDEF data even while Tap was USB powered. I suspect some OnePlus models have a similar problem. For Samsung S9, it took me a while to get it to work with a U2F test site via NFC, around 60-120s before a registration succeeded. I couldn't figure out a consistent method for improving that. I think the RF coupling is too poor. I suspect this issue extends to most Samsung devices. NFC-Registering while USB powered I found a firmware bug, but fixing that, it works fine; but no improvement in passive operation. Will push bug fix soon. Pixel and Nexus 6 devices worked fine. I think recent Motorola and Google devices give the best performance. I believe most issues stem are stemming from poor RF coupling with some phone models. Using only authentication instead of registering should help since it takes less time and power. If I can find any potential firmware improvements, I'll work on them. In any event, we/@solokeys/team-solokeys are planning a new HW revision, and one of the improvements will be significantly reducing power and timing for passive operation. |
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Will new HW rev be free to us who have a problem at the moment? |
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Personally, I think we have opportunities to fix via firmware upgrade -- if not we'll certainly explore a hw rev. But I'm positive we can optimize the boot, or play with advanced uses of the AMS chip. It'll just require some time to test and explore options. It's good to collect feedback about non-working devices. |
i have registered the solo USB-C Tab via usb-c (laptop) on my github account, but still then authentication on the android via NFC (oneplus3t chrome) does not work. when plugged in to a laptop for power and then trying NFC, it does read the key but auth fails. seems indeed like a power issue. I hope you guys can fix it via firmware, otherwise NFC is completely useless in my situation another thing i noticed that when plugging in the tab on my usb-c on my laptop, the led lights up. but when plugging in on my phone it does not. my oneplus3t asks me what to to when plugging in a usb-c cable connected to my laptop (charging only, or file transfer e.t.c.) but it does not ask me when plugging in the solokey in the phone. so it also seems that the tab via usb-c does not work on the oneplus |
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So, some information how Android does FIDO: Chrome is using Google's proprietary FIDO implementation that is shipped in their Google Play Services. I think, we can do a lot better regarding UX and NFC/USB backend. That's why we implemented our own native FIDO stack on Android. Also, this allows us to support special use cases based on customer requirements (such as PDF signing). Long story short, I just pushed an update to our FIDO Sample (now version 1.6) on Google Play (could take up to 4 hours until you get it): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.cotech.hw.fido.example You can try our implementation with your phone and report if it works better than Chrome. I would be interested in your results. Also, for some devices, we show where the best NFC spot is located on the back of your device, this may help: |
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Nice but first we need an nfc fix, because right now nfc does not work on several Android devices Also can more people confirm when plugged the usbc in a OnePlus, that it does not receive power? |
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@dschuermann: However, the authentication works better with your app than Chrome, I'd say authentication succeeds about 8 out of 10 attempts. Side note regarding the app: the key has to be plugged BEFORE taping on buttons (register / authenticate). It does not work if the help message is displayed. It can be a bit confusing. I was expecting to be prompted to plug the key after taping the buttons, not before. Is there a way to prevent the Android pop-up "Do you allow the app to access Solo 2.3.0?" each time we need to authenticate through USB? |
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@Mincka thanks for your testing, very interesting. I tested the SoloKey Tap successfully on Pixel 2 XL over NFC. I will do a more detailed testing with our different devices next week.
Unfortunately, there is no good way to prevent that pop up. If you would use a single FIDO app, we could register this app on USB Intents using the Intent Filter. Then you could choose "always" and it will no longer ask for permissions later. But already if you use two FIDO apps, the other will need to ask for permission again using the pop up. So we decided against registering on Intent filters to not pollute this list with each FIDO app. |
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I notified the Solo team on Twitter on June 18th and still no official message about this specific issue. I bought 5 Solo Tap keys for my teammates and I. Nobody is able to use them with Chrome / Google and NFC, on different phone models. This is the most basic scenario that you expect to work smoothly. The comments on this thread and Twitter show that it's not an isolated issue. We already waited a lot more than it was usually planned. I was expecting a final product properly tested on a few major phone models by the time. In the end, I would have prefer to wait even more than being sent a non-working product. I am quite disappointed by the feedback at this stage: "we think that we can improve by flashing firmware" / "we may review the hardware". When? At which cost? Can we expect new hardware revision sent for free if it's not possible to make them work in standard scenarios, even after an hypothetical firmware update? |
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Don't have one but I'll be happy to test if you can provide a signed release. |
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unfortunately i cant. but it will be available in several days |
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Damn, I chucked mine away after the usb-c connector bent. Is my kickstarter receipt good enough proof? |
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Replacements were for NFC that did not perform as expected.
… On Jan 26, 2021, at 12:28 PM, simonedamico ***@***.***> wrote:
Damn, I chucked mine away after the usb-c connector bent. Is my kickstarter receipt good enough proof?
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It didn't. You can see my comment in this thread |
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What will be the procedure for this? I bought 15 USB C Solos and 5 USB C Solo Taps as part of the original Kickstarter - never got NFC on the taps to work with iPhone 8 or 11.
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I need to elaborate to provide an understanding that is both fair to original Kickstarter supporters and SoloKeys.
Following delivery of solo tap, there were supporters that received product that did not work well with most phone models. As supporters made notice of the deficiencies, they were offered replacements. Some opted to wait for an improved design of the NFC function...which we ultimately rolled up into Solo v2. We have a list of those supporters, and they will be provided with Solo v2 as a result.
This is not an open call for others. The reasonable expectation from delivery 18 months ago, is that if product was received and not functional, it would have been brought to our attention...and therefore we would already be tracking the performance issue.
Please reach out to us at [email protected] if their are mitigating concerns.
Thank you,
Haden Patrick
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What will be the procedure for this? I bought 15 USB C Solos and 5 USB C Solo Taps as part of the original Kickstarter - never got NFC on the taps to work with iPhone 8 or 11.
We will give you a new v2 as a replacement.
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I bought the Solo Tap on 29 January 2021 from Amazon UK. The circuit board is marked v2.1 and I updated the firmware to 4.1.1. But Solo Tap NFC does not work on my OnePlus 6T, OnePlus 5, OnePlus 3, OnePlus One or the NFC reader built into my HP 1020-G1 laptop. I can make Solo Tap NFC work on all these devices if I plug the Solo Tap key into a battery bank during NFC use. I note that the Yubico NFC and Feitian NFC keys work with all these devices without needing the battery bank workaround. Any other solution? |
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I got my solokey hacker version today. Tried using NFC tag but it failed 99% of time. Actually it worked only once for authentication and didn't work at all later on. Am I missing something? Also i have latest firmware installed via solo update command. |
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For me it's working perfectly fine now. I did reset and upgraded the firmware. Maybe it was timing issue or firmware issue I don't know but it's working perfectly now. |
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Any timescale on the replacements? As I've still got a Solo Tap that I'm having to use only via USB for the time being. |
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Looking like mid to late July.
Haden Patrick
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Any timescale on the replacements? As I've still got a Solo Tap that I'm having to use only via USB for the time being.
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I'm one f the users who got a replacement -- which actually worked as well (or not) as the one before: As soon as you supply power via USB NFC is working perfectly. Ok it is acceptable to me that the design does not work with most of the devices I wanted to use it with because measuring the fields the devices provide shows that they are masters at energy saving and don't live up to specs either. If I give my keys enough to eat they are working. Hardly a one-sided hardware failure. But this is also the reason I'm waiting on the next version to become available at Amazon; I'm getting one for testing and if it is not working as promised... This is where the fun is ending. Amazon will throw it away even though it will be working properly connected to USB (just as the ones I have are). I guess you'll have to work on providing a way to test drive them this time. |
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My Situation
DiceKeys is what drew me to Solokeys. I am still deciding which phone I want to buy. I was thinking about getting a Fairphone. But, I've become put off, by all these NFC compatibility problems I'm reading about, that other hardware tokens don't have. Questions
Suggestion
I'm sure that many would be willing to cooperate, to have working NFC (just throwing it out there) |
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The NFC issue relates to hardware where the key is not able to harvest sufficient power via NFC from some phones to energise the key circuitry. A workround for me is to plug the Solo key into a USB battery bank to power the key whilst using NFC mode. This issue is addressed in the hardware design of the new Solo V2 key but I have not yet received it. |
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Another workaround is using the key with devices with better designed phones. Now that I replaced my OnePlus 7 series devices by Google Pixels the Solokey started to work as intended (now, that I have a Titan on board...). And to be fair: The OnePlus 7 designe is idiotic -- putting the NFC antenna around the cameras caused me to scratch the lense covering glass and is of course increasing the distance between NFC device and built-in antenna. |
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The Solo 1 NFC antenna was indeed optimized too much against Pixel devices. Besides the Solo 1 USB-C board instability, this was and is the main physical issue with Solo 1 devices. This is somewhat improvable but not really fixable in firmware (except by using a phone that is known to work). It was a priority in Solo 2 development to test against a wide variety of devices. |
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Hi all, |
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Has anyone here received a replacement? We are now 3 years later. We were the first backers of this product, the team promised to provide replacements with Solo2, and it looks like we'll have to wait for all the Kickstarter and Indigogo backers to get their orders before we can expect to get any attention. At least we should get the latest hardware revision... |
I emailed a reminder to Haden over the weekend and my replacement has been shipped. |
Great! Let us know if it works properly in NFC when you get it. 😃 I will send another reminder per email. |
Can you remind me the email address, please? |
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I received the v2 key yesterday and it came with the latest firmware. NFC works with my OnePlus One, 3T, 5, 6T and 8T. |
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Great to hear! Thanks for the feedback. Enjoy. |
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Please keep in mind that the phone's firmware has some influence on things, too. I replaced Android by GrapheneOS on my Pixel 6pro and positioning the key stopped being a problem. Maybe it will make my teeth glow in the dark when I hold the pone to my head but it seems that there is a difference in power delivery. |
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I received my replacement keys today (Solo 2 USB-C) for previously non-working Solo 1 USB-C in NFC. Sadly, the results are barely better than it was with Solo1. The key is now detected in NFC, but I only managed to register and authenticate 3 times over 50 attempts on test sites such as token2.com or with my Google account. I often get "NotReadableError: An unknown error occurred while talking to the credential manager". When I use the Yubico NFC, the key is detected very much faster, and while I cannot say it works every single time in NFC, it's usable with a maximum of 2 attempts. Otherwise, it's working with USB-C and I can now say that the founders keep their word for the replacement. Still, the new key, with the latest hardware version, continues to struggle in NFC with specific phones. I hope it will work better with my next phone and in the meantime, I will use it over USB-C. |
Really sad that the replacements are not working asnthey should. I think you are lucky to have received your replacements. My personal experience is different. I have had to send at least three mails to get their attention, and after my last follow up email, there has been radio silence and no replacement keys. Now, I have have zero confidence in their products and I would not promote them. |
NFC not working with any of my phones. They are solo 1 from the kickstarter campaign... and the USB C solo has also super flimsy connector. They even asked me for my address and what product to replace.... Is there some other criteria that am missing? |
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I am having similar problems like @returntrip. I have mailed them but I received no reply. |
I got this update after I posted my disappointment on this thread. "You are in the queue for replacement, probably in next 2-3 weeks as next batch rolls in. Maybe they will update you soon too. |
Got my replacement. working fine with my Xiaomi 11T Pro, without any problem, while Solo v1 NFC functionality is still dead. I'm happy that they replacement my keys free. |
and others
Hi,
I finally received a solo USB A and a solo tab USB C
They both work when plugged in and pressing the key on my laptop. But now I want to test nfc on my Android phone but I can't seem to get it working.
Nfc works on the phone because I pay with nfc at shops.
How can I test nfc on my Android with for example GitHub or Gmail.
I also installed a nfc app that can read nfc chips. So when I scan my bank card it read the chip. But with to solo, nothing happens.
Any advise?
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