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Subject: Re: Re-licensing Obsedian Shell music for use in a Free Software game
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Henrik_Csat=F3?= <havoccus@gmail.com>
To: Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com>
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Hey,

Alright, so:

*I hereby give permisson to distribute all Obsidian Shell music tracks
under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 license.

*
- Csat=F3 Henrik

I hope that will be enough.

Regards,
Henrik

PS: It's Obs*i*dian with double "i"s :)


On 28 September 2013 16:18, Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 09/26/2013 01:20 PM, Henrik Csat=F3 wrote:
>
>> Dear Hans,
>>
>> I hereby give you the permission to include any songs of Obsidian Shell
>> in M.A.R.S. as long as the game remains free.
>>
>
> Thanks that is very generous of you, unfortunately such a statement
> is a little to vague I'm afraid. In order for Debian or Fedora to
> be able to ship M.A.R.S. with Obsedian Shell music I really need
> a statement (email is fine) from you among the lines of:
>
> "I hereby give permisson to distribute the Obsedian Shell music tracks
> listed below under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 license"
>
> Again if you don't want to do such a relicensing, that is completely
> fair and fine, you worked hard to create this wonderful music and you
> decide how it gets used.
>
>
> > My only request is to show the band's name in the credits at least.
>
> Of course we will show the band's name in the credits, that is the
> least we can do :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
>
>
>  On 21 September 2013 16:38, Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com<mailt=
o:
>> j.w.r.degoede@gmail.**com <j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     Short self intro: I'm a Free software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/=
*
>> *__Free_software <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Free_software> <
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Free_software<http://en.wikipedia.org/wik=
i/Free_software>
>> >)
>>
>>     developer and enthusiast. I'm currently working in my spare time to
>> package
>>     a game called M.A.R.S.:
>>     http://mars-game.sourceforge._**_net/ <http://mars-game.sourceforge.=
*
>> *net/ <http://mars-game.sourceforge.net/>>
>>
>>
>>     For the Fedora Linux distribution. I'm working on this together with
>>     people from the Debian Linux distribution who also want to package
>>     M.A.R.S.
>>
>>     Debian and Fedora both offer a fully Free operating system, includin=
g
>>     many productivity apps and games. Debian and Fedora are not only Fre=
e
>>     in the sense that they can be downloaded gratis. But they can also b=
e
>>     used as a base for others to build on, creating derivative works and
>>     selling those.
>>
>>     As part of packaging M.A.R.S. I'm working on removing some non Free
>>     parts from M.A.R.S.  I've already replaced 2 non free fonts and a
>>     few non free sfx.  M.A.R.S. currently uses music made by Obesedian
>>     Shell, this music fits the game really well, so I would rather not
>>     replace it. But the current license for it (CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0) is not
>>     compatible with the goals of a fully free operating system. Both
>>     the NC and ND clauses are a problem.
>>
>>     Therefor I wonder if you are willing to give permission to
>>     distribute Obesedian Shell's music as part of M.A.R.S. under
>>     a different license?
>>
>>     Specifically either CC-BY 3.0 or CC-BY-SA 3.0. Note that people
>>     in theory could take the tracks from the game and distribute them
>>     standalone under the same license. This means that people could
>>     take the tracks from M.A.R.S. and use them for example in a
>>     commercial project.
>>
>>     If you choose the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license however then such a commercia=
l
>>     project need to give the same license for the tracks to the receiver=
s
>>     of the project, thus making it uninteresting to sell the tracks by
>>     themselves (*).
>>
>>     M.A.R.S. uses the following tracks:
>>
>>     Ezer =C9v
>>     Orphanage
>>     Fear
>>     Elveszett Lelkek
>>     Starfall
>>     V=E9rmocs=E1r
>>     Second Birth
>>     Wings of Cruelty
>>     Farewell
>>     Misanthropia
>>     Megt=F6rt =C1lom
>>     Farkask=F6nny
>>
>>     If you could give permission to distribute these under the CC-BY 3.0
>>     or CC-BY-SA 3.0 license that would be great. If you don't want to do
>>     this that of course is completely fine and I won't bother you again.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Hans
>>
>>
>>     *) I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advise
>>
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hey,<br><br></div>Alright, s=
o: <br><br><b>I hereby give permisson to distribute all Obsidian Shell musi=
c tracks<br>under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 license.<br><br></b></div>- Csat=F3 Henrik=
<br>
<br></div>I hope that will be enough. <br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Henri=
k<br><br></div>PS: It&#39;s Obs<i><b>i</b></i>dian with double &quot;i&quot=
;s :)<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">
On 28 September 2013 16:18, Hans de Goede <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
On 09/26/2013 01:20 PM, Henrik Csat=F3 wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear Hans,<br>
<br>
I hereby give you the permission to include any songs of Obsidian Shell in =
M.A.R.S. as long as the game remains free.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Thanks that is very generous of you, unfortunately such a statement<br>
is a little to vague I&#39;m afraid. In order for Debian or Fedora to<br>
be able to ship M.A.R.S. with Obsedian Shell music I really need<br>
a statement (email is fine) from you among the lines of:<br>
<br>
&quot;I hereby give permisson to distribute the Obsedian Shell music tracks=
<br>
listed below under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 license&quot;<br>
<br>
Again if you don&#39;t want to do such a relicensing, that is completely<br=
>
fair and fine, you worked hard to create this wonderful music and you<br>
decide how it gets used.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&gt; My only request is to show the band&#39;s name in the credits at least=
.<br>
<br></div>
Of course we will show the band&#39;s name in the credits, that is the<br>
least we can do :)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Hans<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">
On 21 September 2013 16:38, Hans de Goede &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:j.w.r.degoe=
de@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:j.w.r.degoede@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">j.w.r.degoede@gmai=
l.<u></u>com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>

<br>
=A0 =A0 Hi,<br>
<br></div>
=A0 =A0 Short self intro: I&#39;m a Free software (<a href=3D"http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/__Free_software" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/=
wiki/<u></u>__Free_software</a> &lt;<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki=
/Free_software" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<u></u>Free_=
software</a>&gt;)<div class=3D"im">
<br>
=A0 =A0 developer and enthusiast. I&#39;m currently working in my spare tim=
e to package<br>
=A0 =A0 a game called M.A.R.S.:<br></div>
=A0 =A0 <a href=3D"http://mars-game.sourceforge." target=3D"_blank">http://=
mars-game.sourceforge.</a>_<u></u>_net/ &lt;<a href=3D"http://mars-game.sou=
rceforge.net/" target=3D"_blank">http://mars-game.sourceforge.<u></u>net/</=
a>&gt;<div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 For the Fedora Linux distribution. I&#39;m working on this together=
 with<br>
=A0 =A0 people from the Debian Linux distribution who also want to package<=
br>
=A0 =A0 M.A.R.S.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Debian and Fedora both offer a fully Free operating system, includi=
ng<br>
=A0 =A0 many productivity apps and games. Debian and Fedora are not only Fr=
ee<br>
=A0 =A0 in the sense that they can be downloaded gratis. But they can also =
be<br>
=A0 =A0 used as a base for others to build on, creating derivative works an=
d<br>
=A0 =A0 selling those.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 As part of packaging M.A.R.S. I&#39;m working on removing some non =
Free<br>
=A0 =A0 parts from M.A.R.S. =A0I&#39;ve already replaced 2 non free fonts a=
nd a<br>
=A0 =A0 few non free sfx. =A0M.A.R.S. currently uses music made by Obesedia=
n<br>
=A0 =A0 Shell, this music fits the game really well, so I would rather not<=
br>
=A0 =A0 replace it. But the current license for it (CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0) is not=
<br>
=A0 =A0 compatible with the goals of a fully free operating system. Both<br=
>
=A0 =A0 the NC and ND clauses are a problem.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Therefor I wonder if you are willing to give permission to<br>
=A0 =A0 distribute Obesedian Shell&#39;s music as part of M.A.R.S. under<br=
>
=A0 =A0 a different license?<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Specifically either CC-BY 3.0 or CC-BY-SA 3.0. Note that people<br>
=A0 =A0 in theory could take the tracks from the game and distribute them<b=
r>
=A0 =A0 standalone under the same license. This means that people could<br>
=A0 =A0 take the tracks from M.A.R.S. and use them for example in a<br>
=A0 =A0 commercial project.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 If you choose the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license however then such a commerci=
al<br>
=A0 =A0 project need to give the same license for the tracks to the receive=
rs<br>
=A0 =A0 of the project, thus making it uninteresting to sell the tracks by<=
br>
=A0 =A0 themselves (*).<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 M.A.R.S. uses the following tracks:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Ezer =C9v<br>
=A0 =A0 Orphanage<br>
=A0 =A0 Fear<br>
=A0 =A0 Elveszett Lelkek<br>
=A0 =A0 Starfall<br>
=A0 =A0 V=E9rmocs=E1r<br>
=A0 =A0 Second Birth<br>
=A0 =A0 Wings of Cruelty<br>
=A0 =A0 Farewell<br>
=A0 =A0 Misanthropia<br>
=A0 =A0 Megt=F6rt =C1lom<br>
=A0 =A0 Farkask=F6nny<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 If you could give permission to distribute these under the CC-BY 3.=
0<br>
=A0 =A0 or CC-BY-SA 3.0 license that would be great. If you don&#39;t want =
to do<br>
=A0 =A0 this that of course is completely fine and I won&#39;t bother you a=
gain.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Regards,<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 Hans<br>
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 *) I&#39;m not a lawyer and this is not legal advise<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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