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FWIW, you can use the current Workspaces (beta) feature in Zen, which allows per-workspace logins. I am logged into 3 different discord accounts for example. I'm not too sure the best way to set them up, but I assigned a unique default container to each workspace and it works as expected :) This currently works to have per-workspace tabs, pinned tabs, and login sessions. Just missing per-workspace extensions or bookmarks :) |
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Yep, that is part of the way there, but it would be cool to see per-workspace browser profile as that allows to really fully separate browser configuration, while keeping it all in a single window. I know Arc is used a lot as a comparison around here, but there's a reason for that. They really came up with great UX workflows that have completely changed the way a lot of us approach web browsers, and I can't see myself going back. However, I'd happily jump ship to Zen and get rid of the plague that is Chromium, provided we can catch up on those great UX principles. |
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Oh absolutely - That feature of Arc really changed how I used a browser and made context-switching effortless between the workspaces, each with their own proper profile. I really hope it might be a feature in Zen one day :) |
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I also would love to have the option to assign a specific profile to each workspace. |
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I am not a developer so I don't know if it is possible or not in Firefox, what I am asking is that there is a feature in Arc where you can have 2 profiles with completely different extensions, settings and everything. |
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@TGI01 yes that already exists. For me right click on the icon and it pops up. From the command line, run with the -P option. How you do that will depend on your operating system. It's really useful for debugging and making bug reports because if you think you find a bug in zen, it might actually be an extension bug. If you run in a profile with no extensions and find the same bug then you know it's real. This is exactly the same as Firefox BTW. Having different extensions per Workspace would be a different thing though. I think you'd still have to have separate profiles because you don't want a debugging profile to interact with an existing profile. They run with completely different directories. |
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You can use multiple profiles for that. |
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I was going to reply to argue (respectfully) the other perspective. But giving it some more thought, I might actually try multiple profiles/windows. I too came from Arc where what was described above is possible (Each workspace having its own profile, thereby allowing a unique set of tabs, logins, extensions, history, etc; a swap away from the sidebar) Nice as that would be to have here, I could instead just do what I used to do and open up a new window/profile for each. Can't get better workspace separation than that I suppose. |
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Both approaches have its ups and downs, one allows more control, second one has easier context switch. I'm using multiple windows since forever, and the main drawback of it is the performance you lose - every opened profile spawns it's own browser processes and just works in the background. |
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Indeed. I'm slowly coming around to the idea that I don't need it all in one window (Even with a performance hit) because I ended up switching between only a few of them anyway - and to be honest I'd maybe be better not context switching so often and instead focusing on one task for any given chunk of time. I don't need whatever browser I end up with to be like Arc, and that's ok :) |
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I believe if it's implemented the way that you can assign profile per workspace, you can still achieve shared cookies & sessions (all newly created workspaces always attached to the selected main profile), and you still be able to open another profile in a new window. But, as soon as you assign a different profile for another workplace -- you also satisfy the needs of people who support this idea. |
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is you really use multiple workspace/profile ? can you sample me use case of "share cookies between workspace" ? |
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Thank you all for your contributions! The last thing I am truly missing from Arc would be the (instant) tab sync over all devices, |
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There is a "Manage Containers" option that you can use to add or remove more containers |
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N.B. See comments below about the built in container configuration and only apply this if that somehow doesn't seem to cover your needs. @xanthos84 if you add the Firefox Multi-account Containers extension that lets you create and modify containers which will solve the four container limit and let you have more useful names for them. |
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It can be done without an extra extension - within the settings you can add more, going beyond the default four. Each with custom name, colour, and icon. Settings > General > Settings Button (Next to "Enable Container Tabs")
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🙌 Thanks @aldrDev This along with setting the default container for each workspace means you get a pretty similar experience to Arc. Not sure how this could be surfaced to users more easily. I too like a number of others have come from Arc where this feature is fairly simple to setup and use. |
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Totally support the idea! Profiles used per workspace have such great benefits:
P.S: opening 2 browser windows is not a good option. I didn't like Chrome for multiple windows per profile, and here it's an issue again. |
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I 100% agree with you I have similar setup in arc I have one space / workspace for work and one for personal stuff both have their own data (passwords, extensions, tabs, pinned tabs, history, settings (light for work and dark for personal)).. and I love it before I switched to arc I was having chrome for work (which was managed by org) and brave for personal stuff and I used to keep those in two side by side desktops in mac so with one swipe I would switch contexts but arc made it so much easier and it was very seamless experience.. and ask me why two browsers because default implementation of the profiles is terrible it adds profile icons on the browser icon which is confusing and ugly so why not two browsers. also I only have two spaces still with two profiles I am not a big fan of sub dividing work stuff like one workspace for one task and one for another its just too much I know everyone uses their browser differently and everyone has different workflow but arc kind of nailed it IMO... |
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@SirSova right now you can set a default container for each workspace. You can still have a different container, but that is useful quite often. Is there anything wrong with the way that works currently? Do you have some way it could work better? right click workspace -> three dots right of the workspace -> "Set default container". |
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I described in "benefits" what I'm missing with "container" approach.
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Yes Containers help. Containers good. But containers are not
Profile-per-workspace. Both are valid and both are different. Both can
happen. Who can I send money to to develop this?
…On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 7:29 AM Uday Girhepunje ***@***.***> wrote:
I 100% agree with you I have similar setup in arc I have one space /
workspace for work and one for personal stuff both have their own data
(passwords, extensions, tabs, pinned tabs, history, settings (light for
work and dark for personal)).. and I love it
before I switched to arc I was having chrome for work (which was managed
by org) and brave for personal stuff and I used to keep those in two side
by side desktops in mac so with one swipe I would switch contexts but arc
made it so much easier and it was very seamless experience.. and ask me why
two browsers because default implementation of the profiles is terrible it
adds profile icons on the browser icon which is confusing and ugly so why
not two browsers.
also I only have two spaces still with two profiles I am not a big fan of
sub dividing work stuff like one workspace for one task and one for another
its just too much
I know everyone uses their browser differently and everyone has different
workflow but arc kind of nailed it IMO...
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You can assign default container for workspace, so it will actually be profile-per-workspace |
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No, containers and browser profiles are not the same thing. Containers don't isolate browser history, installed extensions, browser sync (some workplaces don't want you to sync your browser data through a personal account for example), bookmarks, and so on. Containers cover some of the requirements, but not all of them. |
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Correct, Containers and Profiles are not the same. One side of this debate is not seeing the other side. SO make both. |
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Going to bump this! Would love to have the ability to have different profiles per workspace all in the same window, loved having that on my mac especially. Hopefully this is something that can be made 👀 |
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I previously use firefox profile to seperate Work, Research, Private.
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In Arc I had multiple Workspaces, let’s say I had 7 workspaces. I then had
3 profiles. A workspace would be assigned to a Profile. A single profile
would be used for multiple workspaces. This is exactly what all the Arc
converts keep asking for. People keep saying these Arc users are not making
sense. But the Arc people exist and a majority want what I just described.
People have strong opinions for and against this. Most of the people
against it actually don’t understand the scenario. They would do us Arc
users all a favor by listening.
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is you really use multiple workspace/profile ? can you sample me use case
of "share cookies between workspace" ?
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To tack onto this, essentials would ideally be a per profile thing, so every workspace with profile A has the same essentials (pinned & normal tabs remain different per workspace). There are two ways I can think of that they could go about this, they could either make the profiles like profiles on arc, or they could make the containers act like profiles, containers are already almost there but not quite there enough yet. Adding this would pretty much be the nail in the coffin. |
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The main reason for being able to assign different profiles to workspaces is to have a different set of extensions (and to be able to login with another account for the same extensions) |
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Another idea. if dev team need to keep them both , transform profile to workspace group and allow user to swap to another workspace group like swap between workspace. All use case should be happy with it. |
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I just want to mention that this is still a very relevant request. I switched right now from Arc to Zen, and that is the main reason I am going back for now. Having to switch to a different profile window every time I want to use a different workspace with different profile is really frustrating. The management of my personal and work account will be much easier if could be done with single Zen window. Really important. |
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Arc's profile switcher also uses multiple windows. |
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It does not. Not the Arc I used. Profiles could be assigned to spaces, which could all be used from within the same window. |
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That's right. Arc does not require different windows for different profiles. |
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I think thats the main difference, it should be possible to switch between profiles within one window. 🙏🏾 |
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That’s not all true. I used one arc window with several profiles. Why is
this so hard for people to understand?
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Arc's profile switcher also uses multiple windows.
Firefox's new profile switcher gives a similar experience. It can be
turned on in FF nightly, and possibly is already in Zen with the similar
behavior.
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not sure if you had a different experience. I used multiple spaces in Arc on macos, and each space would show up as a separate window - especially visible when I went into launchpad mode. Similarly, when switching between spaces, I could use |
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You’re using two different distinct opposing words to describe one. Spaces
and Profiles are different concepts here.
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not sure if you had a different experience.
I used multiple spaces in Arc on macos, and each space would show up as a
separate window - especially visible when I went into launchpad mode.
Similarly, when switching between spaces, I could use Cmd+~, which is the
default window-switcher in macos.
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hmm - but, I used to switch between then using the same shortcut |
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Very different concepts, spaces are essentially just groups of tabs, profiles separate out history, extensions, cookies, etc. |
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Anyone that responds here should have Arc installed with multiple Spaces
and Profiles and a clear understanding of how those work. If you have any
doubt in your understanding of these concepts then please know your input
will be tainted with ignorance.
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Arc's profile switcher also uses multiple windows.
Firefox's new profile switcher gives a similar experience. It can be
turned on in FF nightly, and possibly is already in Zen with the similar
behavior.
It does not. Not the Arc I used.
Profiles could be assigned to spaces, which could all be used from within
the same window.
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I agree with this idea but what do container tabs not do that profiles do? |
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Separate extensions and search history (and maybe a few others I'm not thinking of but those are the big ones for me) |
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Different profiles means different logins for websites. For example, I mainly use the Google Workspace ecosystem. In my personal profile I would like to be logged in to my personal Google account, and in my work profile to my work account. As said above, different profiles also mean distinctive password manager, extensions, etc. |
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Ok that's fair |
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This is the one missing feature keeping me from switching to Zen from Arc—and the same reason I never switched to Firefox. I loved the concept of containers, but they didn’t effectively separate my workflows, and logging in and out of profiles felt cumbersome. A quick way to switch between multiple profiles within a single window remains an important part of what I have come to expect from a modern browser. Why? In other words, no—the current implementation of profiles, workspaces, and containers in Zen doesn't allow for replicating the convenience and workflows that Arc makes possible. The great thing about this feature request is that workspaces should still function as they always have, sharing cookies, sessions, extensions, and more within the same profile. It shouldn’t disrupt anyone’s existing Zen workflows—only expand the feature set. |
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I have the same problem as I am using arc from windows. they don't have all the features but I really like the way Arc implemented spaces with different profiles but I think it will take some time to implement this into Zen as nowadays the consumption of CPU and memory has been increased and I think the developers should first focus on reducing it or else spaces are going to consume lot of power. |
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That's fair. Honestly, I didn’t use Zen long enough to notice any performance issues. I installed it, explored the settings, tested its productivity features and customization options, but ultimately removed it because I couldn’t find a comfortable workflow. Performance is important for user retention, features are important for user adoption. |
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I agree. As a new user I couldn't get the needed experience in Zen, since it does not have the implementation for profiles that will fit my different workflows. |
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If Zen wants to expand its target audience, this feature will be most welcome. |
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Dev should focus on this feature, it seem hard to implement but it's important feature make many people not to use Zen because share settings, saved data, and search, browsing, and download history are USELESS for multiple profile/wokspace usage. and Workspace feature seem duplicate with ContainerTab ,too confuse how container work , container in container ? which one share data to which one if we use multiple container tab in multiple workspace. |
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They really need a proper product manager at this point, there should be a way of thinking and UX decisions and goal towards achieving one thing by listening to community. as community we are gonna think and talk about various things on how things should be but having a solid plan along with ears to listen to community feedback would work wonders in zen. currently it feels like even they do not know what their end goal is containers? workspaces? essential tabs should be per workspace? or per profile? or per container? where should new tabs open? its all messed up right now.. there is no one direction where this is going |
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Hi,
as many users from ARC seems to switch over to ZEN,
it would be so cool to see the feature that you can have profiles for every workspace,
so all cookies (login data) is seperated per workspace (as a feature you can enable/disable per workspace)
so you can login to your work facebook on workspace 2 and to your private facebook on workspace 1.
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