Video Streaming [new?] #1150

ggg27 · 2019-08-13T07:12:33Z

Description: Add Video Streaming Section
After the discussion in #671 many users realized most torrenting based streaming clients hadn't matured enough. I hope this PR takes us in the right direction.

What is added?:

MediaGoblin
Invidio/Freetube

Worth Mentioning:

~~KopyKate~~ (removed; see https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/1150#issuecomment-530631770)

Why not LBRY or Peertube?:
lbryio/lbry-sdk#1435 , Chocobozzz/PeerTube#313 , plus PeerTube hasn't (or doesn't even plan) to release a WebRTC free version: https://forum.privacytools.io/t/discussion-fixing-webrtc/1226

Otherwise, I'd say go for it. But, until they fix these they aren't really for that good for "privacy".

But what about ___?: I'm open to suggestions.
Edits from maintainers are welcome!

Check List

[*] I have read and understand CONTRIBUTING.md.
[*] I have listed the source code for this project in source_code.md.
[*] This project is free/libre software.
[*] This project has an associated discussion.

Code Repository (if applicable):

https://deploy-preview-1150--privacytools-io.netlify.com/software/video-streaming/

netlify · 2019-08-13T07:13:25Z

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Mikaela

I just looked at it quickly and I will need to look deeper later, but please convert the svg into png.

assets/img/tools/mediagoblin.svg

Mikaela

I have multiple concerns, mainly:

not using card v2 or however the cards are usually done
svg icon
missing discussion issues that this resolves

but please do see all of the ten comments.

README.md

_includes/nav.html

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

Mikaela · 2019-08-13T11:59:05Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+    image="/assets/img/tools/mediagoblin.svg"
+    url="https://www.mediagoblin.org/"
+    footer="OS: Windows, macOS, Linux, FreeBSD, Web."
+    description="MediaGoblin is a free/libre distributed server software to share many media types."


I don't understand from this description what it does, could you think of it a bit more? The website makes it more clear to me:

MediaGoblin is a free software media publishing platform that anyone can run. You can think of it as a decentralized alternative to Flickr, YouTube, SoundCloud, etc. It's also:

Also is there a discussion of it somewhere? I don't remember hearing of it before and I think we strongly prefer discussion issues first.

@Mikaela I know of many on Video Streaming.
None in particular for MediaGoblin, but I will start one if it is required.

@Mikaela Is the new description better?
Should I list an instance or way to find one?
Examples:

https://wiki.mediagoblin.org/Live_instances (list of instances)

https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/ (popular instance)

Yes, it's better, but I don't see a reason to include it.

Mikaela · 2019-08-13T12:00:28Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+    {% include card.html color="primary"
+    title="Invidio / FreeTube"
+    image="/assets/img/tools/freetube.png"
+    url="https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube"


This looks weird and I think you should use github from cardv2 instead.

@Mikaela I do not understand, could you reiterate?

@nitrohorse Could you explain cardv2? I think you have been doing the conversions most recently.

Maybe privacytoolsIO/privacy-tools@bfbbeb7 is of help?

Mikaela · 2019-08-13T12:00:48Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+    %}
+
+    {% include card.html color="primary"
+    title="Invidio / FreeTube"


I think the two should be listed separately.

I am also unfamiliar with FreeTube, but it looks interesting.

FreeTube is basically the unofficial Invidious desktop client.

Shouldn't "Invidio" be "Invidious"?

FreeTube is basically the unofficial Invidious desktop client.

That may be so, but it's not the official Invidious desktop client and it doesn't carry the same name.

Shouldn't "Invidio" be "Invidious"?

Yes, sorry I thought it was Invidio until just a couple weeks ago and forgot to change it.
Thanks!

Mikaela · 2019-08-13T12:03:38Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+
+  <h3>Worth Mentioning</h3>
+  <ul>
+    <li><a href="https://github.com/misses-robot/KopyKate-Big/blob/master/README.md">KopyKate</a> - A decentralized uncensored video streaming service on ZeroNet.</li>


It's not including the whole source, is it?

It's not including the whole source, is it?

I think so:
https://github.com/misses-robot/KopyKate-Big/blob/master/

Edit: As I recall, sidebar also states some 3rd party stuff on the old version:
https://zero.acelewis.com/#kopykate.bit (proxy)
I'm not sure what is still in use.

Also, I've added a warning to KopyKate.
As it is non-free (https://github.com/misses-robot/KopyKate-Big/issues/22) and uncensored.

It looks like KopyKate's last commit was early last year and doesn't even have any releases so I'm unsure how this is really useful to mention.

But regardless I think we should pause iterating over feedback in the PR until we've opened a new discussion for suggesting a new "Video Streaming" section like our PR checklist metnions 😄 We can also have a community discussion for what software to include.

@nitrohorse discussions have been ongoing:

https://forum.privacytools.io/search?q=%20Discussion%3A%20Video%20Sharing%2FStreaming

https://forum.privacytools.io/search?q=Video

Add Video Streaming Section #671

Edit: Unless you mean a Github issue?

Edit 2: There is also #693

Didn't realize there was already a lot of discussion in https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/671. I'm still thinking it'd be better to shift this discussion to a new Issue; determine if the section is needed plus the recommended software, then work on the PR which would then be straightforward and not have a lot of churn.

Yeah, so

the forum issue is currently empty

https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/671 actually looks like it's still open with discussions ending in June. I'm wondering why we're opening this PR when we have that one?

And I found this GitHub issue linked with no discussion: https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/693

I think I'm coming in late to this but it seems like we shouldn't be discussing what software to include in a PR. That should already be determined before starting to write code IMO.

@nitrohorse The issue is there isn't any active discussion in all 3 of those.
The last actual discussion in #671 was in early May when a warning to LBRY was added.

This PR is basically just #671 without PeerTube and LBRY (with MediaGoblin)

Personally, I like using LBRY and Peertube, but neither work with TOR and aren't my #1 choice. There are open issues on both of these:
Chocobozzz/PeerTube#1886 , lbryio/lbry-sdk#1435 , Chocobozzz/PeerTube#2030

If you don't think WebRTC or no I2P is an issue, then by all means #671 is a good PR.

TL:DR: If you think that you can start an active conversation, then I don't see why you shouldn't.
I just don't see this happening in the current discussions. :)

source_code.md

Mikaela

Invidious and FreeTube are still listed as the same software, which they are not.
This is still not cardv2 (however I did forget the discussion on it for 15 days) while a response was expected from me.
source_code is messed up
there is a merge conflict
the apps are still missing discussions
- I am uncomfortable with listing KopyKate, check it's GitHub.
- I am not talked into accepting MediaGoblin yet either.

Mikaela · 2019-08-28T16:17:16Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+    {% include card.html color="primary"
+    title="Invidio / FreeTube"
+    image="/assets/img/tools/freetube.png"
+    url="https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube"


@nitrohorse Could you explain cardv2? I think you have been doing the conversions most recently.

source_code.md

ggg27 · 2019-09-12T01:53:35Z

Thanks to @Mikaela's and https://github.com/misses-robot/KopyKate-Big/issues/22 I ~~plan~~ remove KopyKate.

ggg27 · 2019-09-12T02:04:06Z

Invidious and FreeTube are still listed as the same software, which they are not.

This seems to be the general consensus. I will add FreeTube to worth mentioning unless you think it should be added to main.

This is still not cardv2 (however I did forget the discussion on it for 15 days) while a response was expected from me.

Sorry, but I am still unaware of how to execute this. [1]

source_code is messed up

Should be fixed now

there is a merge conflict

~~I am working on trying to fix this~~. - Should be fixed now

the apps are still missing discussions

I am not talked into accepting MediaGoblin yet either.

Would you like for me to create a discussion on the forum?

MediaGoblin has a lot of resources on their website, Wikipedia, or unofficial documentation.

djoate

The Invidious icon is also too low res; get a higher-res version from https://github.com/omarroth/invidious/blob/master/assets/mstile-150x150.png

freetube.png should be removed if we're not using it.

Need to be converted to cardv2 (it's the layout where every card gets it's own row instead of the cards being squished into one row. Here's an example with cloud storage:

https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/blob/master/pages/software/cloud.html

https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/blob/master/_includes/sections/selfhosted-cloud.html

djoate · 2019-10-26T21:24:19Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+<h3>Worth Mentioning</h3>
+
+<ul>
+  <li><a href="https://freetubeapp.io/">FreeTube</a> - FreeTube is an free software video streaming client utilizing <a href='https://invidio.us/'>Invidious</a></li>


It is worth mentioning that one of the key features of FreeTube is that it stores user data on the client and not on a server.

Suggested change

<li><a href="https://freetubeapp.io/">FreeTube</a> - FreeTube is an free software video streaming client utilizing <a href='https://invidio.us/'>Invidious</a></li>

<li><a href="https://freetubeapp.io/">FreeTube</a> - FreeTube is an open-source video streaming client utilizing the <a href='https://invidio.us/'>Invidious API</a>, letting you watch YouTube privately on desktop. All of your user data is stored locally and never sent or published to the internet.</li>

djoate · 2019-10-26T21:32:44Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+    image="/assets/img/tools/invidious.png"
+    url="https://github.com/omarroth/invidious/wiki/Invidious-Instances"
+    footer="OS: Windows, macOS, Linux, Web."
+    description="Invidious, an open-source privacy respecting API for YouTube."


Suggested change

description="Invidious, an open-source privacy respecting API for YouTube."

description="Invidious is an open-source alternative front-end to YouTube. It has no ads and no need for a Google account to save subscriptions. <a href="https://github.com/omarroth/invidious/wiki/Invidious-Instances">List of Instances</a>"

Invidious isn't just an API; it's also a front-end for YouTube as described by the description and the README of the repo: https://github.com/omarroth/invidious.

We should also make the website link to invidio.us and have the alternate instances separate. That is how searx is handled on privacytools.io

dawidpotocki · 2019-10-26T21:57:54Z

The Invidious icon is also too low res; get a higher-res version from https://github.com/omarroth/invidious/blob/master/assets/mstile-150x150.png

Don't downscale images. Get a svg and export is as 120x120 png.

djoate

cardv2 conversions

djoate · 2019-10-26T22:21:43Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+    {% include card.html color="success"
+    title="MediaGoblin"
+    image="/assets/img/tools/mediagoblin.png"
+    url="https://www.mediagoblin.org/"
+    footer="OS: Windows, macOS, Linux, FreeBSD, Web."
+    description="MediaGoblin is a free/libre tool to host media files in a distributed manner."
+    %}


For cardv2, replacing it with this can work:

{% include cardv2.html title="MediaGoblin" image="/assets/img/tools/mediagoblin.png" website="https://www.mediagoblin.org/" description="MediaGoblin is a free/libre tool to host media files in a distributed manner." %}

djoate · 2019-10-26T22:22:56Z

_includes/sections/video-streaming.html

+    {% include card.html color="primary"
+    title="Invidious"
+    image="/assets/img/tools/invidious.png"
+    url="https://github.com/omarroth/invidious/wiki/Invidious-Instances"
+    footer="OS: Windows, macOS, Linux, Web."
+    description="Invidious, an open-source privacy respecting API for YouTube."
+    %}


For cardv2, replacing it with this can work (this takes into account my suggestion from https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/1150/files#r339316663)

{% include cardv2.html title="Invidious" image="/assets/img/tools/invidious.png" website="https://invidio.us/ description="Invidious is an open-source alternative front-end to YouTube. It has no ads and no need for a Google account to save subscriptions. <a href='https://github.com/omarroth/invidious/wiki/Invidious-Instances'>List of Instances</a>" github="https://github.com/omarroth/invidious" %}

djoate · 2019-10-26T22:34:27Z

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@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@
            <a class="dropdown-item" href="/providers/search-engines/"><span class="fas fa-search fa-fw"></span> Search Engines</a>
            <a class="dropdown-item" href="/providers/social-networks/"><span class="fas fa-expand-arrows-alt fa-fw"></span> Social Networks</a>
            <a class="dropdown-item" href="/providers/social-news-aggregator/"><span class="far fa-newspaper fa-fw"></span> Social News Aggregators</a>
+            <a class="dropdown-item" href="/software/video-streaming/"><i class="fas fa-expand-arrows-alt fa-fw"></i> Video Streaming</a>            <a class="dropdown-item" href="/providers/vpn/"><span class="far fa-eye-slash fa-fw"></span> VPN</a>


You've duplicated VPN in the navbar:

Suggested change

<a class="dropdown-item" href="/software/video-streaming/"> Video Streaming</a> <a class="dropdown-item" href="/providers/vpn/"> VPN</a>

<a class="dropdown-item" href="/software/video-streaming/"> Video Streaming</a>

ghost · 2020-02-13T11:00:50Z

plus PeerTube hasn't (or doesn't even plan) to release a WebRTC free version

The p2p player can be disabled in PeerTube and thus removing any privacy concerns of user's IPs being visible to other peers who are watching a certain video. Currently there are only 2 ways to disable it:

if the server admin has disabled it for the entire instance
disable it in your account settings

The feature that would allow non-registered users to disable the p2p player hasn't yet been developed Chocobozzz/PeerTube#2271

ian-tedesco · 2020-02-13T12:56:18Z

plus PeerTube hasn't (or doesn't even plan) to release a WebRTC free version

The p2p player can be disabled in PeerTube and thus removing any privacy concerns of user's IPs being visible to other peers who are watching a certain video. Currently there are only 2 ways to disable it:
* if the server admin has disabled it for the entire instance

* disable it your account settings
The feature that would allow non-registered users to disable the p2p player hasn't yet been developed Chocobozzz/PeerTube#2271

Still I think this is a half cooked solution, without P2P there isn't much to a decentralized platform.

ghost · 2020-02-13T13:24:14Z

Still I think this is a half cooked solution, without P2P there isn't much to a decentralized platform.

That's not true. ActivityPub makes PeerTube decentralized. The p2p player is there to reduce server load and save bandwidth.

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	<li><a href="https://freetubeapp.io/">FreeTube</a> - FreeTube is an free software video streaming client utilizing <a href='https://invidio.us/'>Invidious</a></li>
	<li><a href="https://freetubeapp.io/">FreeTube</a> - FreeTube is an open-source video streaming client utilizing the <a href='https://invidio.us/'>Invidious API</a>, letting you watch YouTube privately on desktop. All of your user data is stored locally and never sent or published to the internet.</li>

	description="Invidious, an open-source privacy respecting API for YouTube."
	description="Invidious is an open-source alternative front-end to YouTube. It has no ads and no need for a Google account to save subscriptions. <a href="https://github.com/omarroth/invidious/wiki/Invidious-Instances">List of Instances</a>"

	<a class="dropdown-item" href="/software/video-streaming/"><i class="fas fa-expand-arrows-alt fa-fw"></i> Video Streaming</a> <a class="dropdown-item" href="/providers/vpn/"><span class="far fa-eye-slash fa-fw"></span> VPN</a>
	<a class="dropdown-item" href="/software/video-streaming/"><i class="fas fa-expand-arrows-alt fa-fw"></i> Video Streaming</a>

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