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Move experimental cell spaces to normal #2286
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Performance benchmarks:
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Note that wolf-sheep and Schelling already used the new experimental grid spaces. The pattern shown for Boltzman is in line with what we saw while developing grid spaces. There is a small absolute increase in init times but a 20%-50% reduction in run times. |
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def __init__(self, seed=None, n=100, width=10, height=10): | |||
super().__init__() | |||
self.num_agents = n | |||
self.grid = mesa.space.MultiGrid(width, height, True) | |||
self.grid = spaces.OrthogonalMooreGrid((width, height)) |
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Don't have a solution just yet, bit on first glance I don't directly like OrthogonalMooreGrid
and OrthogonalVonNeumannGrid
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Maybe OrthogonalGrid
with an required (so no default) diagonal_connections
boolean keyword argument might work. That would also make it easier to experiment with it: Instead of needing to import another space, you switch a keyword argument.
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We debated this endlessly with the original PR. I don't want to redo that debate here. Let's first try and move all this code from experimental and take it from there in future PRs
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The problem is that once it's stable we can't as easily do things like this.
One part of stabilizing an API is re-evaluating properties of it. I know that will add some work, but if we're not doing that, then why did we make it experimental at all?
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Still you should start by revisiting the original PR.
Regarding experimentation, I don't see a lot of problem changing spaces.OrthogonalMooreGrid
to spaces.OrthogonalVonNeumannGrid
If you import the spaces, no need to change imports.
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To be clear, I am happy to debate the API, but there is enough stuff going on in this PR that follows from resolving all the implications that follow from moving this from experimental to stable. I feel that adding the actual API to that long list adds further confusion.
Moreover, we had good reasons in the original PR for the split and like @Corvince, I don't see a major practical difference between changing imports or a boolean.
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- Moore is used as a label in the current version of the space but with a boolean. So we don't add new concepts to MESA.
- Knowing Moore vs von Neumann neighborhoods in my view is basic ABM knowledge that a user should just have. It sits in the same category of knowing what a torus is.
- Explaining the difference between Moore and von Neumann is presently already covered in the docstring. We might expand this a bit more so a user does not need to google it.
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Moore is used as a label in the current version of the space but with a boolean.
So why then at the least not keep it this way? Would make migrating also easier.
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You normally subclass when you have either:
- Different (conflicting) attributes
- Different methods, with some absent in other
With diagonal/notdiagonal this is not the case, as far as I understand. They have the same methods, return the same outputs (a collection of cells) and have the same attributes (neighbours, etc.). The only thing that's different is a single function implementation (afaik), which can easily be covered by an if-else.
So why do I like keyword arguments (in this case)? Because they are more scalable. If you add another two booleans (on how many agents are allowed, another neighbour configuration, etc.), you can have 8 configuration options. With subclasses, you need to have 8 subclasses.
Here's another idea: Why not have a keyword argument neighbour_definition
. Can be "Moore", "VonNeuman", but also something else, like a custom map. Could help a lot when we want to implement:
It just feels like subclassing limits us significantly for future extension, and isn't the best practice in this case.
I'm not going to die on this hill (in this PR). Move forward with it without this if you want, I can follow up.
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I am happy to explore this further, but indeed, preferably separately.
When to subclass is a deeply contested topic, judging by the various StackOverflow questions about this that have been closed as being too opinionated. We indeed use it here for different implementations of how cells are wired up inside the grid.
But I would not say that the fact that the only difference is the wiring up method implies we should (note not could, because that is indeed possible) reduce this all to a list of options for some neighbour_definition
keyword argument and have a long case match statement to cover all possible neighborhood definitions. From a classic OO point of view, a Moore grid, a von Neuman grid, a network, a hexgrid, or a voroinoi grid, are all discrete grids. Subclassing them while abiding by a common interface is, in fact, good design. The motivation for subclassing in this reasoning is that their behavior is different.
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Just a note on the API (again, outside the scope of this PR): The use of subclassed to explicitly donate which space is used does not prohibit a possibly more user-friendly API. We could also think about a create_space()
function with completely different arguments that return our spaces, without users needing to instantiate them themselves.
While this feels the wrong way around, it seems that an |
So, ideally, we come up with a single solution that resolves all of this. I agree with #2149 that having a move_to method that is just always there in a basic agent class might be preferable over having Agent, CellAgent (for discrete spaces), and ContinuousAgent (for continuous spaces). |
Maybe it helps if the Agent has direct acces to the grid it's on, like with |
Yes something like that seems a good way forward. Just quickly testing some API idea, you might get something like the following: class Agent:
def __init__(self, model, space: SpaceBaseClass = None):
...
if isinstance(space, ContinouosSpace)
# "activate" continuous space move methods
elif isinstance(space, Discrete space)
# "activate" discrete space move methods You could even go one step further and in Note that I prefer |
I thought about this, and I'm against stabilizing for now. The main reason is that we just haven't had the chance to iterate on this properly, and that makes it just too early to stabilize. There's also only a very small penalty in having this in the experimental space. It's just a convention, and a reminder for users that this can change. Furthermore, we can also stabilize with 3.1 or 3.2. A few examples:
I really like there's renewed focus on the spaces. But let's do all those things in the experimental space, and once we're content, and have a solid strategy about replacing the current spaces, we can move. |
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I am somewhat surprised by this. Would any of the listed discussions have started if not for this PR? This PR intended to kickstart that kind of discussion and renew our focus on spaces. Moreover, as long as users don't get at least a deprecation warning on any of the existing discrete spaces, how many will start looking, using, and providing feedback on the new spaces? Put different: I am not saying this PR should be merged ASAP. Rather it is a WIP to stimulate iterating and refining the spaces. But I would personally be in favor of merging this as part of 3.0, or at a minimum deprecate the old stuff. |
And that's a good thing, but also indicates stuff is moving a lot, still. Wouldn't have moving over the examples (and benchmarks) over have had the same effect? (and I'm a big proponent of moving over examples and benchmarks!) We don't have to decide this now. If it looks and feels stable before 3.0 feature cutoff we can stabilize it. My initial thought it we can't deprecate something before we have a stable replacement. But let me think about it. (also this is my current view and of course that can change) Edit: I suggest this mainly to make sure we can keep the spaces moving quickly, not to slow it down. In the experimental directory we can move way quicker. And once we stabilize, which we can do in a minor release, we can just let It's just flipping a switch. |
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I am closing this PR. There is a clear path forward and most issues have been addressed. The big next question to be discussed is the deprecation route for the old spaces over the course of MESA 3.X. |
Sounds good!
Proposal:
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this is WIP. See elements conversation.
TODO
identified issues
See Have a dedicated neighborhood property and a get_neighborhood method on Cell #2309.Cell.neighborhood
is currently a method. This is a bad name for a method so either the name should be changed or it should become a property. In Make cell connections public and named #2296, it was suggested to do both.Cell.neighborhood
would give you the direct neighborhood (so size of 1), whileCell.get_neighborhood
can then be used for larger radii.random
kwarg, this typically should be set toself.random
when instanciating a discrete space within a model to properly pass the rng as used by the model.Grid
.Backport API updates of AgentSet to CellCollection were relevant.
See Update to CellCollection.select #2307.