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Adds the FL-112 flamer #16699

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@Notamaniac Notamaniac commented Oct 25, 2024

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Adds the FL-112 flamer, aka the tye_agg flamer

flamer.mp4

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It has a much lower burn duration compared to the standard flamer, so there's an emphasis on hitting your target rather than using it for area denial.

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/624641e9-b07a-4fc1-ab9b-2e50b433f673
(Standard flamer for burn duration comparision)

Is this balanced? I have no idea.

3 start in the marine vendor, and fuel tanks are unlimited (for now). Back tank needs to be bought for 100 at req, but only contains 300 fuel.
X fuel tanks can also be bought in req for 15 per tank, with the back tank being 150 (though not being cost efficent).

Biggest balance issue might be how the firestacks either do/don't make up for the lower damage and projectile speed compared to rifles.

No hydrocannon attachie for now, if there's enough requests I'll add it.

Why It's Good For The Game

New pyro guy option

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add: Added the FL-112 flamer, a projectile based flamer. Limited to 3.
add: Adds FL-112 back tank, FL-112 X tank, and FL-112 X backtank to req for 100, 15, and 150 points each. FL-112 can also be ordered by itself for 100 points.
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@tgstation-server tgstation-server added Sprites Changes to .dmi file. Feature New interesting mechanics with new interesting bugs labels Oct 25, 2024
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Lauwma commented Oct 25, 2024

As long as it does some sort of direct damage it can be balanced on the two parameters: firestacks and direct damage

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Pariah919 commented Oct 25, 2024

my eyes
other than the sprite making me recoil. Didn't we remove extended nozzle for good reason?

Ok now that I actually look at it-

Why does the barrel have muzzle break holes? In fact why is this thing so long anyway? Most flamethrowers are super short. If you're going for the flammenwerfer 'literally a pipe' look you've kinda failed. Also why the receiver? It literally doesn't do anything. It even has a chamber for some reason??? The armrest is also kind of just there. It looks a bit weird. Also the sprite in general is stupidly long. Cut it down. This also isn't even the right marine pallete so I assume you grabbed an mg27 and fucked it up.

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Here's the random 2 minute doodle I made.

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You can see that its more or less a pipe. As flamethrowers should be. It has the rail look style since we have Mag H's and rail flashlight and the grip style of a smaller flamethrower (since I imagine this should be more compact as it is weaker than the normal flamer) and has a fat muzzle to show it isn't a 'normal' gun.

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ok, but tyes pr had way better flamer sprites, so use those...

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flamer sprites changed, though the fire sprite shares the same one with the APC spray (hence why I went with a different one)
Flamer might look a little too simillar to the other one, which is why I went with a bizzare design (not based off a gacha honest) so people could actually tell them apart. Could go with a different colour scheme but eh.

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zzurge commented Oct 31, 2024

PISS FLAMER RETUVN

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Based on the preview video of this, I don't honestly see the point of this flamer. Unless it's applying full flame stacks on a single hit then it's purely a poor imitation of our long lost beloved extended flamer nozzle. Even then there's a more rapid fashion of lighting things on fire remotely (plasma pistol, laser pistol on heat mode, laser sniper rifle of heat mode) with the same area denial effect of 'Don't stand in front of the X when they're using their weapon'. Increase the projectile speed massively, give it flame stacks. Make it actually hurt (or slow?) if it hits. Give it some gimmick that actually separates it from the other forms of fire. For now it just seems bloat.

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Based on the preview video of this, I don't honestly see the point of this flamer. Unless it's applying full flame stacks on a single hit then it's purely a poor imitation of our long lost beloved extended flamer nozzle. Even then there's a more rapid fashion of lighting things on fire remotely (plasma pistol, laser pistol on heat mode, laser sniper rifle of heat mode) with the same area denial effect of 'Don't stand in front of the X when they're using their weapon'. Increase the projectile speed massively, give it flame stacks. Make it actually hurt (or slow?) if it hits. Give it some gimmick that actually separates it from the other forms of fire. For now it just seems bloat.

I want to see it in action first before tweaking it, chances are it might be disappointing but theory crafting can only get so far before seeing actual results. The plasma pistol fires slowly, and the laser pistol/rifle (didn't even know the pistol had a heat mode) heat mode doesn't set the tile that it's on fire- there's some leniency with missing which is why I gave it a slower fire speed and shorter burn duration to begin with. Hitting multiple times should apply max flame stacks, and slowdown is an option if it feels too weak.

If this PR doesn't get merged though, I'll see about readding the extended nozzle back in a limited amount, since the code for it is still there and it wasn't as borderline OP in area denial as the spread nozzle.

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I want to see it in action first before tweaking it, chances are it might be disappointing but theory crafting can only get so far before seeing actual results. The plasma pistol fires slowly, and the laser pistol/rifle (didn't even know the pistol had a heat mode) heat mode doesn't set the tile that it's on fire- there's some leniency with missing which is why I gave it a slower fire speed and shorter burn duration to begin with. Hitting multiple times should apply max flame stacks, and slowdown is an option if it feels too weak.

Valid, though I feel you wont get much test data back unless it has some sort of gimmick.

If this PR doesn't get merged though, I'll see about readding the extended nozzle back in a limited amount, since the code for it is still there and it wasn't as borderline OP in area denial as the spread nozzle.

Honestly would be a welcome sight.

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