I mean, unironically adding a better effect of successful AA is a neat idea. But round end and complete wipe of a side just over a roll of a dice is way too funny. At least maybe send the shuttle back to the ground so it's not that sad for xenos. And ideally it should require some kind of research upgrade, then it will be perfect.

Finally some strategy beyond "Set AA for lifeboats."

Finally some strategy beyond "Set AA for lifeboats."

Exactly. And if the meta shifts do hitting lower instead, that then becomes a meta chase and there's actual strategy involved for placing AA in a rock paper scissors sense of strategy. Dare I say that putting thought into what button you're pressing is a good thing rather than slamming the same thing over and over.

If the idea of killing every Xenomorph is too excessive, you could rework it that the Almayer's AA simply shoots down the Dropship and causes it to land/crash on the planet, while also ending the round.

If the idea of killing every Xenomorph is too excessive, you could rework it that the Almayer's AA simply shoots down the Dropship and causes it to land/crash on the planet, while also ending the round.

What does this mechanically accomplish?

What does this mechanically accomplish?

As I wrote it accomplishes the same end-state this PR envisions, but it allows the xenomorphs to react to the events that have transpired from an in-character perspective instead of deceased ghosts. It may also make this outcome more palatable to the xenomorph players as whilst the outcome is the same they at least may not feel as negatively impacted as they were not killed.

IMO correctly selecting an AA location is too brainless of a thing for marines to turn a losing situation around. And is also pretty lame for those who would be preparing for a fight to miss out on it from both sides. For example, xenos managing to grow a King successfully only for marines to turn tail, attempt to hijack, and just blow up without any action.

Additionally, this is far too prone to metacommunication from both sides. Either:
A) Queen can be informed where the AA location is set to.
B) Marines can be informed where to set the AA location to.
If you lock it out so it can only be set once, A then becomes likely. If you allow it to be freely changed, B is more likely. If you lock it out only after hijack, A is more likely. I'm not sure what to suggest here that would ever resolve this problem outside just removing the selection entirely and just making it RNG entirely which makes the player agency issue that much more of an issue - xenos just sometimes get robbed of a successful hijack by chance.

I'm not totally against the idea but AA up to this point has only been a means to ensure the location you intend to hold doesn't get obliterated. Maybe instead successful AA could actually shoot at the dropship, causing an explosion in the traveling shuttle spacing/gibbing those unlucky where it happens to land, but otherwise still crash lands in some other location in the ship.

Until at the very least the metacommunication issue is resolved, this is DNM.

I've updated the PR with what I feel is an elegant solution.

Firstly, allow me to remind our players that meta-gaming is a ban-able offense and can result in you being removed from the community!

This solution follows good security on how best to go about keeping any sort of meta to a minimum. Firstly, AA cannot be set until hijack has started. This means two things: 1: Only the Queen knows where the DS is going. and 2: Marines have ~60s until we check to see if AA lines up with the hijack target. (As a note: setting the AA to the correct location after that check period is up still results in a hijack impact, so late attempts will not work).

Given how there is no hive based messaging for where hijack is pointed after the Queen selects it, that means the Queen is in charge of that information and keeps it secret for the narrow time frame that it is relevant. That then means once 60-70s have passed, the Queen can share that info (or honestly, she can keep it to herself until the hijack zoom sound starts, because it's not like there's much prep to do while on the shuttle ride) and we play like nothing had changed.

And should meta-gaming happen by the Queen, it's an easy find on their ckey as we have the hijack start logged and the Queen is literally the only xeno who can start hijack.

Also substantially more soul in setting the AA once there's an actual incoming air threat, as well as the officer rushing to the foredeck to get there in time.

Really anything to keep people from slowly gravitating to upper-aft after FOB evac.

Changelog will need updating regarding the change to how setting AA is being changed.

Perhaps Marines might need a IC message alerting them to set up the AA.

If you're certain you want to go forward with this, making a limited time to select where to put AA and it relying on the queen to keep that secret is workable as far as my DNM concerns once there's a bit more messaging indicating AA is available like Steelpoint was mentioning above.

I personally still think this is worse for the game however. I would much rather xenos taking hits from AA fire and them being in worse condition on crash land than just the entire hijack part of the game to abruptly end. Hijack doesn't have to be in their favor always; but I'd rather the sequence of events to not make players feel like they got robbed of gameplay they expected.

I will be considering reverting this PR or reworking what effect AA has when https://hackmd.io/@Drathek/BywFsOfH0 is implemented.

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The intent of this PR was to skip a small number of hijacks, given that the end goal of that here would no longer be achieved, I think changing this to something else would deviate from the desired outcome of what I set out to do. Rather than turn this into something it's not I'll close it out and consider this little experiment concluded.

Also lmao 35 thumbs up, never seen it ever get that high on a PR before.