Mayflower- Abandon Bounty hunter ship #734
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Seem a lot of things are fine but there some flaws that im looking at:
• Horible wiring, some things are not even connected, ect... like missing substation connected, 2 APC only? and MV/HV Cable mess, i recomend to kinda rewire ya ship.
• Only scrubber network on a ship this big?
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The wires are intended that way and the Scrubber system was intended. I didn't know about the Substation which I corrected now However it isn't showing as an change when I am trying to connect it so far. Im trying to get it fix |
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The substation has been Fix, Requesting to be looked at again. |
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Facts:
- Price: 50000 spesos
- Initial valuation (expeditions console): 44965 spesos, seems okay to me.
Major notes:
- Light in the doorway leading from the entrance hallway to the bar/medical area has to be moved.
- Tiny fans right of the AME appear to be useless.
- Tiny fans protecting the bridge aren't really necessary, neither are the ones on the firelocks close to the left and right docks.
- Top left thruster is not turned on. So are the lower right thrusters.
- AME appears to be enabled as soon as the ship spawns.
- Cable terminals are not correctly placed (Hv Producer-to-consumer loop introduced by the wiring under the AME.
Minor notes:
- Salvage equipment locker without salvage specialist on the ship proto.
- You could spray-paint the door to the cell for it to be not blue, but retain the same access. (Might not save tho, not sure.)
- Four spider webs under the right armoury door seems a bit much.
- Power setup is still a hot mess. Cables are going everywhere and go under walls a lot of the time, this should be avoided where possible for ease-of-access in game. (Thruster wiring obviously cannot avoid this, but Mv wiring and Hv wiring generally should be easily accessible unless they are electrifying a window grille.)
- There appear to be four egress passive vents connected to four separate scrubber networks. Is this intentional?
All in all I like the vibe of this ship, but I would not buy it in-game in its current state. I'll also attach this diagram that indicates how a power setup should work. While this one was made with full stations in mind, the principles surrounding SMES banks carry over to shuttles if they have them. Pay specific attention to the Hv wiring that should not touch outside of the cable terminals.
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explain why it has to be moved? Checkraze has already approved the Salv locker |
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Update as of now |
Redid Eletrical and power and fix Thrusters
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From the image above, Hv wiring is correct now.
To have a light in a doorway makes it appear as if it it crushed every time the door closes onto the tile. It isn't, that's not how this game works, but to me this is essentially the same as placing a light not attached to a wall at all. I am not aware of what the game does with this light in its current specific place, but I am of the opinion that it has to be moved, if anything to prevent clipping issues.
Should be as simple as just clicking them to turn them on. Remaining notes:
(I should add here that I am merely drawing from my own experience in mapping for other servers. I may have missed facts that are anchored in unwritten rules for Frontier, and as such you should take my notes as mere advice. If you insist something is fine, then it is, unless a maintainer tells you it isn't. I am not a maintainer.) |
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The fans in the Bridge hall way is Intenational When you was talking about the Light I thought you was talking about the hallway light. I didn't noticed that I left an light in the actual door itself. Also, yes I have Fix the thrusters. One of them wasn't even in range of the wiring until I change it. Also there is only like 4 pipes that aren't color because I accidentally deleted them when doing other things. Which is why I didn't bother fixing the color. However, if someone would to be looking at it. They would clearly know that it's all part of the same network. I spoke to checkraze a good bit about the ship. Between the Ship&dev and on the older close (and link) request. |
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Remove the web from the left side dock. If this ship is supposed to be an archaic 2nd hand ship in desperate need of maintenance, IDK if I like that it has fully stocked vending machines. Makes little sense to me. If you could figure out a way for them to be empty at the start that would make sense to me. Also the chem vend does not need to be there, it might be more satisfying for players who choose this ship to find a chem dispenser board on expedition and build it into the medbay as a desperately needed upgrade to the ship. Overall, there's too much light, and it is all homogenous. You could probably remove a lot of those lights and replace some of them with dimmer lights, like red. Even a few broken lights might fit the vibe better too? |
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One last thing on cargo, unloading cargo from this ship is going to be tricky. There's no easy path for cargo to exit the ship onto a Cargo depot because there's no easy path for cargo to take from the storage area to the docking port. |
Still missing from code, for now they can do something basic, and we can replace it later with real spawner. |
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Oh yeah, if you want to put a personal indicator on the ship I recommend you use the gold plaque. |
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New Pictures of it With and without Mapinit
I removed some of the lights to make it darker I replace the Mabela with inspector I switch because of the firing rate since the Mabela is technically the rev for the Deathsquad. It also has a Firing of 3 shots per second. Which I switch it to the Inspector which will have 1.5 or 2 per second I was going to put a Mosin with speed loaders instead but, it seems like those speedloaders don't work So I removed both the Mosin and the loaders. The description of the ship should be different now The AME was changed from a 2-core to a 1-core. Since the 2 cores isn't needed. it gives more space in the bottom Chem vending was removed and replaced with 3 chem crates instead Mr Chang's vending was removed and replaced with 1 box of Donk Pockets removed Gunsafes and added Gunracks. |
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lgtm as long as it all works in game, should be ready to merge |
I think @MagnusCrowe was still looking for some changes. |
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@dvir001 Like what |
I pinged him to confirm, if he gives the green light he will just merge it. |
…h them out with an different one. change some of the lighting.
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I spoke to Magnus Crowe in VC as I was making addition changes as far as I know he doesn't have anything. |
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I know you've put a lot of work into it and we are in the final stretch, but the Prototype checker found a security intercom. switch that out for a generic intercom and I'll merge it |
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@Cheackraze Intercom was Changed |
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I'm sorry but, I had rebuilt this from the ground up twice. I have made so many changes that I was against and disliked(some that was EXTREMELY long changes). Been told about merging so many times and had the feeling of being ready, done and set to Stone. I been extremely cooperative and patiences during the changes and proccess. I understand the late join spawn and the Merc and those I willing to change. The reason why I don't want to do the T2 safe is because I want guarantee a 45cal(44?) 6 shot revolver. Which from looking at the PR for the gun safes its random. I also dislike the Deckard due to the fact that have are force to have 1 less bullet in the chamber. Which I feel having 1 more bullet is more valuable to the player in a Life or death. Which in my personal case. I have die more because of having to reload vs the speed of the firing rate. I originally wanted the Mabala but I change it to the inspector due to the Speed and power the mabala will do. I am willing to remove both Sawoffs and the Shotgun ammo in order to have the single inspector with its ammo and if that isn't a compromise that can happen. |
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The gun lockers are required to stop the need to buy a ship just for the weapons on board Ships are not about the weapons that come in them You can get more guns from expo, gun vends, and find them on space salvage. |
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The random system within itself isn't balanced in t2 you have 50% of getting a shotgun verse getting an MK58 or the Deckard (25% chance). Expedition-based ships should have a different gun pool versus other non-expedition ships and sec ships. Because ships aren't post to be equal.. why should Medical, mining, and/or sec ship have the same types of weapons versus a ship whose main designs (or even secondary designs) are going on missions where they 100% will have combat? what use are rubber rounds going to be to people who are doing expeditions "you can buy lethal" not for 45. |
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Mining and medical ship should not have full guns safes on round start If you find any ammo that is missing from the vender let us know and we can fix it. |
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The very fact that you're having a gun balance debate on a ship PR is exactly the reason why they are removed from ship spawns. Buying a ship solely for a single item it has on it is not good gameplay, design, nor rp. Having a gun balance debate is fine, but we are removing all gun spawns from ships. I shouldn't have to come in here and repeat what the maintainers say. Their review is equally as valid. The non-dterminitve nature of the safe is the exact goal, so people stop buying an entire ship for 1 item. The gun will need removing, and you may place a gun safe in its place appropriate to the value of the ship. |
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All the guns I am referencing is from the gun safe spawner list and I am really talking about you having an additional 25% chance of getting a shotgun versus the other 2 weapons all the guns; t2 and below you can buy (but the Deckard) in order to make that more balance I suggest adding the Cobra which is exactly like mk58 but a different caliber (and also class 1 with the mk) if doing so Cobra would need to be added to the less then lethal and to the liberty station with lethal ammo (nonlethal 25 is already in less than lethal) and the inspector which I will feel is more balance because even tho you have 6 shots instead of 5 you also have less firing rate. where about the mabela is the most powerful one and the python has the same firing rate as the If the Inspector and Cobra was added It would balance out the chances of the weapons to each weapon group would be 33 percent chance then 50% for double barrel shotgun, 25% for the other (deckard and mk58) You are also not able to get a .45 caliber lethal ammo. So if you get a 45cal weapon from the T2 and it spawns with nonlethal. then you are just force to use T1 weapon (which isn't the case for the other t2 weapons) |
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Like I said, this is not the place for a gun balance discussion. |
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@MagnusCrowe the Merc locker seem to be working fine. can you tell me more about what do you mean by glitchy? |
Yeah, when I went up to it, as a player and not a ghost, I could not open it unless I was standing in an extremely specific spot off to the side of the locker. Same issue closing it. If you're ok with that then you can leave it alone. Maybe it is something wrong with the locker itself that will get patched. |
were you standing inside the Merc room or the loungething room? because in the Merc room it seem ok. But, I am seeing the problem (which I bet is the same problem) with the prisoner which... it does look ugly there. |
Really? I was in the merc room. Maybe it has something to do with the rotation of the ship. |
…a regular suit locker and move position of the EVA locker. Merc room Lockers were tested. Everything seem to be fine with it Guns were removed latejoin spawner removed
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requested changes were made |
wall object interactions have had a history of being difficult to be in range of, you often have to be like faceplanted into the damn things sometimes, im not sure theres anything we have the power to fix. so long as its 'facing' the appropriate direction and it looks good it should be fine |
after I look at it... then the Prisoner Wall closet just wasn't working (when I put fill in) so I just Moved the Eva suit wall locker to where the prisoner wall closet was at. and then just put a regular locker to be a replacement. I think just the worst thing when trying to place something is when you rotated there is an actual indicated of it turning (with the expectation of somethings) |
About the PR
Add Mayflower - #653 (comment) - (Links to the close report)
Why / Balance
As far as I was able to see the only Bounty Hunter/Expedition ship was the KC Sprinter. So I would like to add more that is more dedicated in bounty hunting/ Expeditions
(I had to reinstall the Local Repository. Lost the branches)
As far as I was able to see the only Bounty hunter/Expedition ship was the KC Sprinter. So I would like to add more that is more dedicated in bounty hunting/ Expeditions
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